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Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on July 08, 2009, 04:15 AM:
The holy grail of 400ft's in on ebay!!!! LOL!!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUPER-8mm-Movie-THE-ROSE-Bette-Midler-Alan-Bates-VGC_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a10Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksi dZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem45ecf8c425QQitemZ300328469541QQptZUKQ5fDVDQ5fFilmQ5fTVQ5fOtherFormatsQ5fGLQQsalenotsupported
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 08, 2009, 05:25 AM:
No 'roses' anymore... ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Fabrizio Mosca (Member # 142) on July 08, 2009, 07:29 AM:
Item number: 300328469541
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 08, 2009, 07:32 AM:
Thank you Fabrizio. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 08, 2009, 10:48 AM:
Guys,
I have been joining this forum since 2003.. but I missed the story behind our joke on this very title...
I saw many postings make a laugh on this, could you explain why? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
cheers,
Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on July 08, 2009, 10:51 AM:
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on July 08, 2009, 04:48 PM:
Where did the rose go then??
Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on July 08, 2009, 07:33 PM:
Yes I am also interested in knowing the "history" of this "THE ROSE" digest?????????
Pat
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on July 08, 2009, 07:37 PM:
It has become legendary and so much time has pasted that no one really knows the origins of it's birth. Perhaps Tony M. can shed light on this mystery ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Sir Tony of Milman please step forward.
There is also the legend of the Eupig. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on July 08, 2009, 08:09 PM:
I too want Mr. Milman to answer this one, but I have to point out that the running gag of "The Rose" started in the earlier version of this Forum (before the great server crash of May 2003). I believe we're coming up on the 7th anniversary of that particular joke.
Doug
Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on July 08, 2009, 10:19 PM:
I wonder if Ian still has the original
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on July 09, 2009, 03:50 AM:
Winbert,
You might have to dig around to find the origins of this joke then,you may even come up smeling of roses...LOL!!!
Pardon the puns,just couldnt resist them!!!
A rose by any other name etc...
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 09, 2009, 12:02 PM:
So will all "Rose" reel have been faded to red prints or rose ???
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
winbert
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on July 09, 2009, 01:55 PM:
I seem to remember the trailer was available on super 8mm with the claymation Mt. Rushmore breaking up and revealing Bette Midler.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 09, 2009, 02:20 PM:
Larry,
Wasn't that the trailer for "Divine Madness"? A live in concert movie that starred Bette Midler on stage. It was quite a show. She had (has) an incredible amount of energy!
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on July 09, 2009, 05:22 PM:
You're absolutely right, Osi.
Posted by Greg Marshall (Member # 1268) on July 09, 2009, 11:04 PM:
Does someone need one of 'The Rose' digests? I have 287 of them on hand. Destined to be true collector items, right? LOL... (just kidding). While I really do love this film, I have to say that I do enjoy having my digest... and I have to say, the colors have not faded at all.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 10, 2009, 07:30 AM:
quote:
and I have to say, the colors have not faded at all.
YES... probably because "Rose" was printed on rose colors so it won't fade (to any colors) at all...
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on July 10, 2009, 08:25 AM:
In fact it was one of the last Ken releases and I was recently surprised to find that my copy is low fade Agfa, so it's probably one of the easiest Ken titles to find with good colour.
I can't recall what started the 'in joke' regarding this title, but anyone buying a print expecting a 'so bad it's good' film would be disappointed, as there's nothing awful about it, and as quite a bit of the running time is devoted to Bette M singing on stage, any fans of hers would find it money well spent.
Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on July 10, 2009, 04:37 PM:
Dan me old china, how the devil are you Sir?
Well, I would like to say more about this but the lodge that met in Grandpa Ian's shed swore me to secrecy. It is true that Ian has the only original copies of this film. It is further true that I have never seen it. I was sadly not of high enough rolled trouser leg to be admitted to the worshipful grand master rose viewer. Sad but true.
Still, it has been so long since Ian's shed (airconditioned and thermfilmed) that i barely remember (Ian what ever happened to the promised BBQ? I assume the original copies of the rose were to be used as fuel?
Perhaps some of the Lightwater 5 can shed even more light on this. Come to think of it where are pex peckham, chris "tonka-toy" quinn, "meccano man and our very own "2-blade" Mr Elmo these days
Oh, anyone wnat a GS1200 with f1.0?
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on July 10, 2009, 04:52 PM:
Thanks, Tony.
Well, I guess that sums it up for the present, but like me I think everyone is still perplexed or something like that. All the usual suspects have been mentioned; Ian, Tony, The Lightwater 5, Rosie and Bubbles, so the for the time being no stone will be unturned or no tern will be unstoned(how gullable can I get).
Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on July 12, 2009, 08:18 PM:
Well this one is mine now. I think thanks to this thread it scared everyone else off! Nobody else bid.
Unless I am missing something, I am looking forward to this. I have actually been after it for years.
David
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on July 14, 2009, 02:37 PM:
I was a member back then, before the big "CRASH", and I remember when the whole "ROSE" joke was very common on the forum.
If I'm not mistaking, I believe what started the joke was when it was listed on E-bay as being "very rare", and it had a high minimum bid.
Of course, we on the forum know that "The Rose" digest is not all that rare, and was commonly found, new and sealed, in many bargain bins, into the early 90's.
As for the digest itself, I agree with Adrian that its not a bad digest, and for Midler fans, its very entertaining (my wife really likes it).
My biggest dissapointment with the digest was that they didn't squeeze ANY of the title song into the digest. One or two verses over end credits would have been fine.
James.
Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on July 14, 2009, 09:25 PM:
That is crazy James, it's almsot the main reason I bought it!
So not even a few bars of The Rose in the entire 400ft?
It is like Xanadu where some of the major songs are missing too.
Even in both versions of Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World 400ft digests they manage to miss hte funniest part of the film where Sylvester dances....Derann even have a shot from the scene on the cover yet it is not in the digest; crazy!
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on July 15, 2009, 07:12 AM:
The Derann digest also cuts out the very end where Ethel Merman walks into the prison ward nagging full blast, slips on a banana peel and falls flat on her behind.
I wasn't a Son-in-Law very long before this became my favorite scene in the history of Cinema!
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on July 15, 2009, 02:13 PM:
Right. You would think, just a few seconds over the credits would have finished the digest nicely. Come to think of it, I think the digest ends JUST BEFORE Midler falls to her death. I'll have to watch it again to verify this, but I'm pretty sure. Its like, the editors did a decent job through most of the digest. But then, they get rushed on the finish.
Steve and David-
Another example of a "most memorable" scene being left out of a digest- when I bought the 400 foot digest of "Love at First Bite", I was just sure that the disco scene, and the song "I love the nightlife....I love to boogie...." would be there. But, to my surprise and dissapointment, was no where to be found in the digest .
Oh well, I guess that was the real thrill of buying the digests back then- the thrill of seeing if your favorite parts had been saved or scrapped!
James.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on July 15, 2009, 05:54 PM:
She falls to her death.........
There goes that suprise ending. And I thought any film based on Janis Joplin's life would have a happy ending.
Doug
Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on July 15, 2009, 07:27 PM:
When I first got the Star Wars 400ft, I loved it, but thought there were so many good parts missing. Then I discovered there was a part two coming; it had everything I had missed from the first part!
Still its better to have a digest than not. I have always thought that The Nutty Professor, What's Up Doc and American Graffiti were the great never made digests for me.
Posted by Kurt Gardner (Member # 440) on July 15, 2009, 07:30 PM:
Oh, now I get it. I was reading too fast and didn't see the topic switch. I couldn't for the life of me remember the scene in "The Rose" with Ethel Merman. That would have been hilarious, now that I think of it. Picture it: Rose gets busted for drugs and ends up in jail. Merman comes in and slips on a banana peel...
To throw my two cents in, I remember how awful the condensation of "Rocky Horror Picture Show" was, with just snippets of the songs and horrible editing. This was when it was red-hot as a midnight show in the States so maybe Ken rushed it out.
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on July 18, 2009, 03:20 PM:
Just listed:
http://cgi.ebay.com/8mm-Film-The-Rose-Color_W0QQitemZ180384511894QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Film?hash=item29ffc13796&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7 C294%3A50
with pic of actual film.
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