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Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 03, 2015, 06:37 AM:
It seems that Julio Castells, one of the last (or the last ?) manufacturer of metallic reels (in all gauges, hence this thread in the general section) is considering, due to the cine market situation, going out of this activity, not immediately but after one year or so. Julio manufactures super 8/9.5/16 mm reels from 60meters(200ft) to 800 meters (2.200ft) and up to 2.000 meters in 16 mm. He also manufactures cans and long play units (also 35 mm material). If you need reels (and/or cans) or think you may need some in a foreseen future, it's the good time to order them. Julio is in Spain, his e-mail is : taller@juliocastells.com
Posted by Elyas Tesfaye (Member # 3356) on March 03, 2015, 06:41 AM:
Thanks for the heads up, Dominique ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
!!!
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 03, 2015, 12:32 PM:
Elyas, je sais que tu parles français (I know you speak French). Julio comprend mieux le français que l'anglais (Julio understands more french than English). Si tu as des bobines à acheter...(If you have reels to buy...)
Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on March 03, 2015, 01:53 PM:
Any prices? I do need some large reels super 8 (800m) and 16mm (2000m)
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 03, 2015, 02:01 PM:
Following the prices list I have, super 8 800 meters spools cost 25,50 € (+ 20 for the can if you need it) and 16 mm 2000 meters spools cost 92 € (it seems that cans are not available for that size).
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 03, 2015, 02:28 PM:
Very useful information Dominique, thanks for that.
Posted by Clyde Miles (Member # 4032) on March 03, 2015, 02:37 PM:
68 pounds for a 16mm 2000 spool!!
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 03, 2015, 02:40 PM:
I am more than happy to pay £21 for a quality 700m Super 8mm spool.
The ones sold by Wittners (360m 1200ft) BTW are around £100 each!
Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on March 03, 2015, 03:02 PM:
That's 2000m not feet In feet its 6000+ A complete feature on one reel.
Posted by Clyde Miles (Member # 4032) on March 03, 2015, 03:11 PM:
thanks david, my fault i should have read the post properly.
Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on March 03, 2015, 03:21 PM:
Its a Catch 22 though with spooling up to large reels, you really have to want to watch the complete film.
All of my super 8 are on large reels. A few of my 16mm too. It does make the presentation seem more professional in my opinian.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 03, 2015, 11:52 PM:
Is there any other way David? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on March 04, 2015, 02:24 AM:
Do you know the price for 1200' Super 8 reels?
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 04, 2015, 05:26 AM:
Chistian, the price list I have says 16 € for 360 meters (super 8) and 14 € for the can.
Posted by Elyas Tesfaye (Member # 3356) on March 04, 2015, 10:32 PM:
Salut Dominique,
oui, je parle bien Francais et merci encore pour l'information sur des bobines !!!
Elyas
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 05, 2015, 01:41 AM:
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on April 14, 2015, 01:05 PM:
I got a e-mail from a Belgian member who said that Julio will stop his activities earlier than expected, in a few months. Sadly it seems that larger spools are already no longer available :-(
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on December 29, 2015, 12:17 PM:
Due to an e-mail I've just received, the message I wrote here has been deleted until I get a confirmation of its content. Sorry about that.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on January 20, 2016, 02:52 PM:
The bad new arrived today : Julio is definitly stopping his activity. He will be able to make new reels for a very short limited time but his machines will be destroyed soon so if you want to benefit from him, you can try by contacting him the soonest as possible. The sadest thing is that nobody could or had the will to save all the cine related material Julio has had for decades as his father started the activity. A part of the history of the cinema will be lost forever ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on January 20, 2016, 03:00 PM:
Dominique
I assume from what you say that Julio does not have any stock, but only manufactures to order.
Posted by Mathew James (Member # 4581) on January 20, 2016, 03:23 PM:
It is sad to see this, especially with the potential new super 8 wave on the horizon...I can see if it takes off, these reels will come back in high demand. The metal will be sad to see gone.
If this is the reality, is it possible that Van Eck could make a nice solid plastic reel with 3D printing and a reasonable cost I wonder? A proper model would not be too hard to create these days...and here are some example models http://www.yeggi.com/q/film+reel/?s=tx
Posted by Raleigh M. Christopher (Member # 5209) on January 20, 2016, 09:38 PM:
J'aime le mot français pour "reel" - "bobine". C'est bon!
Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on January 21, 2016, 02:26 AM:
Reel is a measure of film length, the word you need is spool.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on January 21, 2016, 03:27 AM:
Yes, Maurice, Julio manufactures on order. We don't make the difference in French between spool and reel, its's the same word :"bobine" that Raleigh likes :-) I will try not to repeat this mistake confusing both words.
Posted by Raleigh M. Christopher (Member # 5209) on January 21, 2016, 05:09 AM:
I use the word reel for both. Here in the U.S. that is common. "Bobine" is where the English word "Bobbin" comes from.
The dictionary definition of "reel" is thus:
"reel
— noun
a cylinder, frame, or other device that turns on an axis and is used to wind up or pay out something."
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on January 21, 2016, 09:43 AM:
Sorry to chip in, but this drives me nuts! Maurice is correct.
A "reel of film" is a length of film.
A "spool" is the thing you put the film on.
Typically, a reel is 10 minutes in running time, so in super 8 terms, about 200ft.
So a 200ft is a reel, 400ft is a two-reeler, etc. Which leads to some misunderstanding when you have a 2 x 400ft version!!
We've had this discussion before and some disagree, but if us film folk can't get it right, who can?
Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on January 21, 2016, 10:51 AM:
Thank you, Rob, for your support.
Films are reel 1, reel 2, reel 3, and so on. They are run through projectors mounted on spools (except when they are on platters!)
In UK cinemas they arrived on cores in cans. In US cinemas they arrived on spools. Not sure about other countries.
Posted by Raleigh M. Christopher (Member # 5209) on January 21, 2016, 12:16 PM:
What you call a spool, I call a reel. Gepe even calls them reels.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on January 21, 2016, 12:34 PM:
we have also différences between French spoken in France and French spoken in Belgium although we are neighboors. We use some words that are unknown in France and some other words have a different meaning. The differences between European French an Canadian french are of course much more numerous. So I can imagine the mess with English as it is spoken, as native language, in many parts of the world.
Posted by Mathew James (Member # 4581) on January 21, 2016, 12:35 PM:
Ebay UK and USA use both terms Spool and Reel
http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/Film-Reel-Sizes-for-8mm-Super-8-and-16mm-Movie-Film-/10000000178416150/g.html
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Film-Reel-Sizes-for-8mm-Super-8-and-16mm-Movie-Film-/10000000178416150/g.html
However, although the film length is considered a reel of film, spooling is the shape it takes when wound, and probably how the term spool became used, as Metonymy[a figure of speech in which a thing or concept is called not by its own name but rather by the name of something associated in meaning with that thing or concept]
Confused yet? hehe.
Posted by Raleigh M. Christopher (Member # 5209) on January 21, 2016, 12:44 PM:
Dominique-
Or Castillian Spanish vs. Latin American Spanish, within which, there are multiple vocabulary differences. There's a funny video on You Tube about this. What is a term of endearment in Andalusia is a nasty insult in Argentina, and lots more!
My favorite French differences are the numbers. Soixante-dix versus septante, or Qautre Vignt versus huitante or octante. Or "Le Weekend" versus "fin du semaine" (which is what I think it is in Quebecois).
To me a spool is what thread is wrapped around, for example, but film "spools" on a "reel".
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on January 21, 2016, 01:30 PM:
LAST MINUTE : 9,5 spools are no longer available. I've just received a reply from Julio to my last order. No problem, yet, for the super 8 spools but Julio had only 12 9,5 cores left so I shrinked my order to 12 9,5 spools and so will get the latest ever manufactured by Julio. A sad privilege Cans are however still available. Julio had no problem to take my order of super 8 spools but if you're interested, better hurry. For those who own a Beaulieu projector, Julio makes spools that suit this machine (the Beaulieu can take a little bit larger spool than the 700).
Raleigh, you seem to know precise things about French
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on January 21, 2016, 01:59 PM:
No confusion, a reel of film of film is a length of fillm.
A spool holds film.
End of.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 21, 2016, 02:51 PM:
Let's play a game:
Choose the correct one among these pairs
Wrench, Spanner
Valve, Tube
Traffic Circle, Roundabout
Railway, Railroad
It's a trick question, they are all correct!
It all depends on which side of the dashboard you keep your steering wheel on (both of which are correct too as long as you mind which side of the road you are on!)
"Spool" and "Reel" are the same kind of thing.
It's just a difference in dialects.
Maybe if we had jet air travel at the time the film industries developed on both sides of the pond we'd use the same word, but it was still steamships so they developed distinctions.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on January 21, 2016, 03:30 PM:
I must admit,since childhood, I call a spool a reel at times and vice versa.
I understand Maurice and Rob for correcting us all as they are of course, both entirely correct in their use of correct terminology of such matters.
It's just one those terms that does all so often get used incorrectly by its users.
Personally, and with no particular logical explanation attached, I find spool a bit of a "stuffed shirt" expression compared to "reel"
That's why, in my case,rightly or wrongly,I much prefer to use the term "reel" rather than "spool" whenever I can.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 21, 2016, 03:35 PM:
Now Andrew,
Being English you "reely" should use "spool" as that's what's the standard there.
-being an Engineer, I'm sure you can relate!
I'd imagine a long time ago when a reel was truly 10 minutes of film, somebody here said "We can have a longer film if we splice them together."
-the other guy said "We'll have to find bigger reels.".
-and so it began.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on January 21, 2016, 07:29 PM:
This might help
https://vimeo.com/71309925
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