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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 17, 2018, 11:17 AM:
 
Does anybody know this person, (his mailing address states, "Tom Williams"), as a collector?

I've got a return request with the excuse that the print I sold is "red as a beet" which it couldn't possibly be from the time that I sent it off to the time that it arrived. I'm putting up two screenshots from the actual print. I've asked the buyer to just take photo's of those sections of the film that were on the auction as, hey, anything IS possible, but it seems like it would have to have been in a oven or something to go from very good color to "red as a beet" What do you folks think? red as a beet?





I don't have a problem with someone returning something, as they can just use one of the other excuses.

[ May 17, 2018, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Douglas Meltzer ]
 

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Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on May 18, 2018, 12:48 AM:
 
He bought a 16mm print of Adventures of Washington

wrote the following after receiving it

just wanted you to know it arrived, and it’s pure VINEGAR... both reels are sitting on the floor next to me right now and I can’t stand the smell... They will go in the trash on Thursday... SAD... anyway, I know you can’t control VS, but I just wanted you to know, and hopefully you’ll check your potential future films sales for VS before listing them... thanks for listening

He was nice enough to not send it back for a refund but I didn't appreciate the lecture. I smelled the print before packaging and didn't notice one bit of vinegar or any strong odor.
 

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Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 18, 2018, 02:24 AM:
 
Obviously a buyer to avoid.
 

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Posted by Robert Crewdson (Member # 3790) on May 18, 2018, 04:01 AM:
 
That print is perfectly acceptable Osi.
 

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Posted by Oliver F. R. Feld (Member # 1911) on May 18, 2018, 05:48 AM:
 
Absolutely!
 

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Posted by David Baker (Member # 3259) on May 18, 2018, 09:17 AM:
 
A few months ago he pulled the same stunt on me Osi .
This guy is a scam artist who tries to complain about films he buys , hoping you'll refund him AND let him keep the " VS " or " BEET RED " print .
Report him to eBay . I did .
 

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Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 18, 2018, 09:33 AM:
 
The buyer appears to have a 100% positive feedback.
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&useri d=mr.jackbenny&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc
 

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Posted by David Baker (Member # 3259) on May 18, 2018, 09:41 AM:
 
Maurice , that doesn't mean anything . You can't leave negative feedback for any buyer .
If you're a seller who leaves positive feedback right away after a sale , then he complains AFTER you've done so and you can't remove positive feedback so now you're screwed with a refund or return and feedback you can't change .
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 18, 2018, 11:03 AM:
 
Baker is right about that ...

I had a person who recently outright lied about an item I sent him and since they were two seperate items, (but shipped together), he got away with leaving two bad feedbacks for each item (though he had to combine the shipping from both items to make his point, at the least, it shoudl have only been one bad feedback), and i had'nt had any bad feedback in a long time, maybe never on this present ebay account ...

The thing that got me about that sprcific situation was that he wrote me after having left his ebay feedback saying "It appears that I'm not the only person who's left bad feedback recently", which perked my interest and so i looked on my feedback and the only bad feedbacks were the two that he had just left. I mean, sheesh, what is the point of stating an out-right lie like that?

By the way, that sellers ebay name is ... "blinkingbuzzards"

So, this morning, I sent him this message, that i would start the return as of tommorow, and also informing him of my fascination at a very good color print going red as a beet in just days and how, being a member of a number of film forums, starting a topic on this, as I'm fascinated with this being red as a beet, and that i would take screenshots of the print upon it's return to compare them with the print that I actually sent off.

I'm just wanting to see if he "changes his tune", and I must honestly say that I am fascinated if the commercial I mailed off did go beet red in mere days as this would be unprecedented, at least in my 30 years experience of collecting and if so, then it will be interesting for all.


 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 19, 2018, 11:14 AM:
 
Buyer chose to cancel his return.
 

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Posted by David Baker (Member # 3259) on May 19, 2018, 03:29 PM:
 
Well Osi , I'm GLAD you called out this con-artist so now the rest of the forum members are informed about them .
GOOD GOING !
 

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Posted by Steven Haines (Member # 6159) on May 21, 2018, 03:29 PM:
 
I am ebay user "blinkingbuzzards", and it's really frustrating to me that Osi continues to misrepresent my interaction with him.

I've moved on, as it was fortunately a mere $2.92 Osi cheated me out of, but reading this thread just now got me ears burning, and I feel compelled to respond when my name is unjustly being dragged through the mud.

I won't rehash all the details (Osi, I believe we've already said all there is to say to each other on the matter), but just remember that there are two sides to every story, and I still feel that negatives feedbacks were justified (as my issue was with the combined shipping price quoted for both items prior to purchase not being honored.)

To respond to the original thread topic, it does indeed sound like ebay user Mr.jackbenny is up to some suspicious behavior, and I will certainly be on alert for this ID. So thanks where it's due, Osi, for bringing this to our attention. I only hope to avoid my name being lumped in with such con artists. I've mostly lurked on this forum, but I am active in other film communities, and I'm sure some here can vouch for my genuineness.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 22, 2018, 11:18 AM:
 
Don't forget to mention that I paypalled back to you, $4.25 of that overall shipping, (I was off by 25 cents, and that was my own mis-hap, my bad), and for some odd reason, that auction, which was supposed to have 4.50 shipping on it, like all the others, was still at 7.25 shipping. I still haven't figured that out, as i had changed them all to 4.50 shipping and or some odd reason, that one change didn't "stick" and since you had paid right away, I couldn't change that 7.25 of shipping to 4.50 in checkout, (which, if you have the chance to send the invoice before people pay, you CAN do, but i didn't have a chance to.

I mean, if I was some kind of rip off artist, I certainly wouldn't have sent you back 4.25 of the shipping right away, (which i can produce the evidence of, if you like).

All I know is that I certainly wouldn't put two bad feedbacks on a persons account over less than three dollars shipping, and you DID say to me, that you noticed that someone else had recently left bad feedback ... and I can produce the ebay messages on here, if you have forgotten what you wrote me ...

" Frankly, I'm still baffled that you can't understand the arithmetic of how you ripped me off. The negative feedback is warranted, and other potential buyers should be aware of your dishonest practices. (I see now that you have another negative feedback over a dispute on shipping charges.) ...

(I can produce the whole message if you'd like) ...

Here is a link to my feedback page, I hope the link works ...

http://my.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyEb ay&CurrentPage=MyeBayFeedback&FClassic=true&ssPageName=STRK:ME:MAFBX&_trksid=p3984.m2295.l3920

... but the ONLY two bad feedbacks, were yours. Look, I just didn't see the point of acting like someone else had left the other bad feedback, when you yourself had left the other one and you knew it.

I have to laugh at myself as well, as, to think that the situation between you and I was over only two dollars and something cents. I certainly don't need that much so bad that's it's worth quibbling over and I doubt you need that much as well.

It's pretty silly in the end. We were probably both standing on principles. I was looking at it as, "heck, I've already sent him 4.25 back, and he's going on about another 2.92 ... right down to a penny?" Not taking into account handling?", and I honestly can't say exactly what you were thinking, but I'm betting that you were standing on some principle as well.

The only thing that cheesed me off was the lie. If a person leaves two bad feedbacks then own up to them, don't act like someone else did one and you did the other .. that's all.


 

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Posted by David Baker (Member # 3259) on May 22, 2018, 01:49 PM:
 
Osi , the link you posted took me to my own feedback.....
 

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Posted by Oliver F. R. Feld (Member # 1911) on May 22, 2018, 01:52 PM:
 
Funny... Mee too
Is this Osi magic?
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 22, 2018, 04:03 PM:
 
The formula to read a particular member's feedback is as follows:

]https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=[EBAY-ID]

So for example if you want to see "mr.jackbenny" 's feedback then:

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=mr.jackbenny

cheers,
 

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Posted by Rob Koeling (Member # 35) on May 23, 2018, 01:37 AM:
 
Steven, don't fret about it. Osi's buying and selling antics are well documented. He tends to go to extraordinary lengths to cover up his bollocks. I wouldn't waste any energy on it, it will never stop.
A home made coring machine anyone?
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 23, 2018, 11:49 AM:
 
Hey! I still have that! (coring machine) and it still works!

But there are no "antics" involved here Rob ... and I wouldn't have even mentioned that last post if Steven hadn't added to the topic there.

If i was a dishonest seller in the first place ...

I wouldn't have paypalled the 4.25 back to him right away. In fact, just days ago, I sold commercials to another seller and mailed them to the address he had listed, but the seller hadn't paid yet, (if someone does a best offer and I accept it, I just assume that the seller is going to pay right away ... in that case, the seller didn't) ...

and when I heard back from the seller that he was going to have to have it shipped to a different address ...

I paypaled the person 3.00 dollars (as media mail would probably cost him that).

Are these the "antics" of a dishonest seller? "Tk4$" is the buyer and if they wish to, they can verify this fact for themselves if they are a member on here.

... and these are not recent "antics" on my part. These are the lifelong business practices of one Ol Osi Osgood.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 23, 2018, 12:04 PM:
 
Osi,

I guess that other negative feedback to which Steven was referring, concerning shipping charges, was this one:

"Free postage condition of accepted offer was ignored and was cancelled by seller"

This was negative feedback left for you by a buyer, other than Steven, during the past year.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 23, 2018, 12:50 PM:
 
Micheal …

Could you please provide a link as to that specific bad feedback? When I received that message from Steven, I immediately went to my feedback and only found his bad feedback, and I noticed the other thing that was stated on that page …

Bad feedback for 2 months = 2
Bad feedback for 6 months = 2

Ect ect.

(I also want to see that it is actually my feedback, and not just some "cut and paste" thing)

If you can provide the link for me so I can verify this, I swear, before all on this forum, that I will publically (well, before all on this forum) personally apologize to Steven …
… which is far more than ANY of my detractors have done on my behalf when they have lied repeatedly about me. When I have personally wronged someone, I do right by them, that’s my character.

I have to get going here (I’ve ran out of time, library internet time) but I will definitely look first thing for that link, Micheal.

By the way, I can't remember ever offering free postage in my life. I'll be curious as to what the item was as well.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 23, 2018, 12:58 PM:
 
"...some cut and paste thing"???
You really think I'd make it up?

Try this:
https: //feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=reel-ality&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&searchInterval=30&which=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365
 

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Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on May 23, 2018, 01:31 PM:
 
It's amazing Osi can't see his own feedback.
 

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Posted by Rob Koeling (Member # 35) on May 23, 2018, 03:16 PM:
 

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Hey! I still have that! (coring machine) and it still works! [Smile]

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That's great Osi! That is a marvelous machine! Back then you were very busy, so couldn't find the time to demonstrate it properly. If you have a moment, would you mind transferring a full 1200 foot reel to a core? After all those years, I'm still puzzled about how that would work. It's tricky enough to wind it tight enough to hold the film together when you have a proper split spool. I love innovation and I love all things cine!

- Rob
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 24, 2018, 11:26 AM:
 
Wow! There it is, (thank you Micheal).

First off, Stephen, as promised, I wish to publically apologize to you for stating that you had made that up about the other bad feedback. I couldn't go back past that first page and just assumed that it didn't exist, (well, I couldn't see it), so, my apologies. You were right and I was wrong.

(by the way, I's like to know how to look back on my feedback, as I wasn't able to) I'm quite surprised that I offered anything with free shipping. That's not my style. It must have been an accident on my part.

To answer you Rob ...

I don't think that it's still on my youtube account, but I did have an actual video showing me using the very device that I made (the coring machine), which I did when folks on here called me a liar and I didn't actually have such device, so I had placed not only a picture or two of the device on here, but also supplied the video, (planning ahead of time, knowing that some folks desperate to find lies in Osi, would then ask, Oh yeah? How do we know if it works?), showing the machine in operation.

But to answer the other question, this device was only designed by me to core 600ft and not 1200ft asi found that, even with a lot of decent tape, a 1200ft foot core of film is much more un-stable and is more likely to become "un-cored" (encore encore!).

In the case of a 1200ft reel, (not shown in the video) while time consuming, I would hold the 1200ft reel on a large black "marker" (you know, ink marker), and when i would reach the 600ft level, do a splice, add leader, and then do the other half. Usually, my wife will hold onto the 1200ft reel OR I'll hold onto that, and she winds the coring machine as, I'm talented but not that talented to do both jobs.

Now, if we wish, we can, (if anyones wishes to), go back to the absolute silliness of arguing the use of the word "core" or it's proper definition ... (for all the newbies, believe it or not, yes, I was attacked over my use of the word "core" in ebay descriptions!! Amazing, eh?)
 

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Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on May 24, 2018, 04:02 PM:
 
Hey Osi.... let's be clear here....I know you will come back with a multi-paragraph response but the original issue was you listing films for sale as "cored" when in fact there was no core... they were simply rolled up and taped... no reels... no spools...no cores...and it got nutty from there....people were asking legitimate questions and you became angry about it instead of just answering. Perhaps you didn't know what a core was. That's ok. There is plenty I don't know. No one was attacking you.
 

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Posted by Rob Koeling (Member # 35) on May 24, 2018, 04:58 PM:
 
Sure Osi, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clarifying that!
I do remember watching that video, so no need to get that back up. A random thought while reading your reply above was, that I hope you choose the point to make your cut more sensibly then randomly around 600 foot, though! I would hate to receive a print with an unnecessary cut somewhere mid-scene; but I'm sure I don't have to tell you that. I do seem to remember that for demo purposes, you only demo-ed about 200 foot, never mind stretching it to 1200 foot, just to see it in operation for a full 600 foot reel would be awesome! But only if time allows, of course.

Another completely random thought, and I should probably start a new threat for it, but does anyone know if there were ever Columbo episodes released on S8?
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 25, 2018, 11:09 AM:
 
I don't think there was any Columbo on super 8, but I've been wrong before, (quite recently, in fact! )

as for the "core-gate" I remember that ... watching members demanding that I change my ebay auctions and that I was somehow fraudulent in my descriptions, because I stated "core" as part of my descriptions because there wasn't a round piece of plastic on my wound films and I sat back as I read all that thinking ...

"Are grown men actually going on about this?!"

I also noticed that no women who are a part of this forum ever chimed in ...

Gee, women REALLY ARE smarter then men!

(there ya go, shorter than my usual post)

Gotta go, I have a doctors appointment!
 

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Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM:
 
Rob was correct, it really doesn't ever end. Not at fault and any man that questions is dumb. Ok, have it your way.
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on May 25, 2018, 02:16 PM:
 
I'm really struggling because it's probably better I keep my mouth shut or fingers still. However, having had pleasant dealings with Osi over the years, as well as watching these discussions, I'm going to put my 2c in, and hopefully in a completely non-inflammatory way. I mean no unkindness, but just to clear the air with some truthful and direct comments, if you'll kindly indulge me. No response is necessary, even.

First, Osi, I have no idea why you refunded Steven 4.25 instead of the reportedly agreed upon 7.17, and maybe it was an honest mistake. If so, you should come clean and admit as much. Does the difference make you a ripoff artist? Of course not, but it does create ill feelings and mistrust, and a WHOLE lot of forum discussion that besmirches two people whom otherwise we'd hope to hold in impeccable regard.

Second, unreeling films for sale on eBay (and let's note here that you properly and rightly disclose in your auctions that there is no reel with such films), cutting them into 600' lengths when necessary, and then selling Elmo reels (etc) at substantial prices after the fact, is your right, of course. Osi, if you feel you can make a better bottom line that way, that's your privilege. However, I will never buy a film from you knowing that such is your normal practice. This is not stated with animosity, nor hostility, but just to put the honest truth out there that some of us will avoid such sales because the film is handled that way, and because pretty much no other seller makes you find reels for your purchases. And it's not like I don't have spares.

Third, mr.jackbenny is a ripoff artist, I think we all agree on that. I'm sorry for anyone who has to deal with those shenanigans, and his reported actions are truly that, and worse.

Now, I got that off my chest, thank you. I wish all of you, including Osi and Steve, a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend as we commemorate the profound sacrifice of those who gave their all, which enables us to the freedom to enjoy silly stuff like home movies. Long live Super 8!
 

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Posted by Steven Haines (Member # 6159) on May 25, 2018, 03:44 PM:
 
First, thanks, Osi, for the apology with regards to the feedback mixup.

I really don't wish to spend much more time discussing this matter, especially since it's over a comically small $2.92. All I will say, for those reading who are not privy to the details, is that before purchasing the items, you, Osi, agreed to ship both for a combined total of $4.50 and refund the difference in what I was automatically charged based on the rates included in the listing. The total shipping cost I was charged was $11.67 (for two commercials), so, even with the $4.25 refund, I still paid $7.42 in shipping.

When you quote my saying "I'm still baffled that you can't understand the arithmetic of how you ripped me off," that's in response to my repeatedly explaining in plain (but I believe polite) English how the numbers don't add up. You at first disregarded my request for the remaining refund with some nonsense about ebay secretly keeping the difference. Moreover, I asked you a simple question twice, which was just to tell me what the total is that you received for shipping. And you didn't answer it either time, because that will clearly show that you're not honoring your originally promised shipping price.

I really do appreciate the rational tone of your responses in this thread, Osi. But, based on this particular ebay experience, it strikes me as dishonest, or, at the very least, confused enough that it creates an unnecessary headache for me.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 25, 2018, 04:58 PM:
 
This is an exhibit when 1 topic post is growing into 3 or even more topics...now it confuses me.

"Mr.jackbenny" is happy now because he is no longer the focus of this discussion.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 26, 2018, 04:56 AM:
 
There's an ongoing pattern, which only very few of us appear to be able to see.

Anyway, I do have a suggestion here, radical though it may sound...

Osi, perhaps you could just refund the $2.92 to Steven. This would appear to be the honest thing to do...or am I being too simplistic?
 

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Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 26, 2018, 09:56 AM:
 
I agree with Michael.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 26, 2018, 10:45 AM:
 
Just to end this all ...

There was never an agreement to pay back 7.17 to Steven, merely a 4.50, which I didn't have to do in the first place but I offered to do if he bought the auctions. I was off by 25 cents on it, (when I sent the paypal I just forgot and put in the wrong amount), but there was never any agreement to pay back 7.17.

Ebay does keep back a percentage of the shipping, but I don't know exactly what that is, but it is miniscule, unless they stopped that policy. It is (or was) called the "FVF" (final value fee), and from what I've read, ebay takes not just the ten percent off the actual selling price, but an addtional 3 percent in other "fees".

The thing that has amazed me about this whole discussion, is that I would assume that before a person buys something, they check out the shipping in the first place. I personally didn't realize that one of the auctions was still at a 7.25 dollar shipping, (as I had went through all the auctions and lowered them to 4.50, or so I thought, as all these 7 dollar shippings were on the commercials and I specifically went thru all my
commercials and changed them).

But obviously, Stephen (or is it Steven? I've lost track), had looked at the auctions and had seen the shipping and therefore asked me if I, before he bought the items, would lower the shipping for him. I said yes (made "contract") and in fact paid back that 4.25 within minutes of him buying the commercials and then, after having bought the commercials and me having sent them off, he then asked for the addtional 2.92, (going beyond "contract). Thats what "wrankled" me. Didn't he see the 7.25 shipping on one of them? It had to have been there and if it wasn't and it said 4.50 and then after the sale, was 7.25, THEN there's a big issue with ebay.

As for the $2.92, I see no reason to reward Stephen for his Bad feedback by giving him another $2.92.

Thanks for those nice word there earlier on, 99 per cent or more of my ebay sales are always pleasant on both ends.

Oh yeah, before I forgot, Happy Memorial day folks!

[ May 26, 2018, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Osi Osgood ]
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 26, 2018, 12:21 PM:
 
I'm a little unclear.

Just to clear this up in my mind, Osi - when you "made contract", is it true that you agreed to ship both films for a combined total of $4.50 and refund the difference in what Steven was automatically charged based on the rates included in the listing?

Just as an aside, what Ebay takes is immaterial here. Ebay fees are the sellers issue, not the buyers.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 26, 2018, 06:44 PM:
 
It seems to me if Osi is writing something some members will gather just like ants found sugar.

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Ebay fees are the sellers issue, not the buyers.

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It is ebay who makes everything to beocme more difficult:

1. Ebay, apart from the final value fee, is now also taking the final shipping fee (10%). This becomes worst after what Joerg mentioned above, the paypal fee would also apply to money sent for shipping (5%). Now for me who is always being honest with the shipping cost by putting a shipping calculator from the Post Office must increase 30% from whatever appears on the calculator (ps: because 15% VAT also does not appear on calculator) . So if calculator gives $40 I have actually need $52 to avoid I am loosing money because of shipping to overseas. One or two buyers say I am cheating. Man...! :-(

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So since the above rules, especially if we get paid by paypal which creates another fee...there should no actual shipping cost be quoted in the description because seller will loose money...

Cheers,
 

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Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on May 28, 2018, 10:15 AM:
 
Is that why many sellers on eBay now say "Free Postage"?
 

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Posted by David Hardy (Member # 4628) on May 28, 2018, 11:53 AM:
 
It just goes to demonstrate what a scam Ebay really is when they take a fee for postage from the seller.

Its a diabolical liberty and bloody swindle in my opinion.

One reason i have very rarely sold anything on that money grabbing site.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 28, 2018, 02:45 PM:
 

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Is that why many sellers on eBay now say "Free Postage"?

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There is no such "free postage" because the postage cost will be present at the starting price...and Ebay still get the fees no matter the postage is inside or outside the price

Smart Ebay....
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 29, 2018, 11:28 AM:
 
Just to quickly answer Micheal ...

The only contract I made with Stephen concerning this sale, was that, if he bought both items, as there was extra shipping with both items combined, I agreed to paypal back to him 4 dollars and some odd cents of the shipping, which I in fact did, as that's only fair and there was a surplus of extra shipping with both auctions combined.

There was no agreement to ship both auctions for a combined 4.50 though I must say, I thought both auctions had a 4.50 shipping on each, so it would have come out to 4.50. It came as a surprise to myself when one of the auctions had a higher shipping.

my big gripe with ebay is that this was a situation where ebay did they're own invoice. it wasn't a situation where Stephen bought them, they show up in my "Sold" section, and I make out the invoice. I don't know the exact time from when the items sold and I noticed them having been sold, but it couldn't have been more than 30 minutes to an hour, as I was still on the internet at that time on that day when Stephen and I had corresponded about me giving some of the shipping amount back.

I really wish ebay would allow the seller and the seller alone to make out the invoice, whether a "buy it now" or just a regular auction ending.

If I had been allowed to make the invoice, I myself would have seen the higher shipping on one of the items, and all this would have never ballooned into this series of posts in the first place, (well, at least not concerning "blinkingbuzzards").
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 29, 2018, 12:12 PM:
 

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There was no agreement to ship both auctions for a combined 4.50...

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Ah, OK.
Steven seemed fairly specific in his post above that there was such an agreement.

Oh, well!
I guess one of you is mistaken.

Just out of interest though, if you had been permitted to send the invoice rather than ebay, how much would you have charged Steven?
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 29, 2018, 12:39 PM:
 
We,, being that I had expected the 4.50 on each auction, I would have sent back just what I did send back, as 4.50 would have been more than enuf to ship both commercials.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 29, 2018, 04:49 PM:
 

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Just out of interest though, if you had been permitted to send the invoice rather than ebay, how much would you have charged Steven?

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If....and if....

An open-ended question for a future debate....

Well Michael...I also see a pattern here....
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 30, 2018, 02:49 AM:
 

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We,, being that I had expected the 4.50 on each auction, I would have sent back just what I did send back, as 4.50 would have been more than enuf to ship both commercials.

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That's not quite what I asked.
However, I think you've made things fairly clear now.
Thanks, Osi.

 

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Posted by Steven Haines (Member # 6159) on May 30, 2018, 01:53 PM:
 
I can't believe I'm still thinking about this matter, but I do feel obligated to add to the absurdity and respond to Osi's most recent posts.

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There was never an agreement to pay back 7.17 to Steven, merely a 4.50, which I didn't have to do in the first place but I offered to do if he bought the auctions. I was off by 25 cents on it, (when I sent the paypal I just forgot and put in the wrong amount), but there was never any agreement to pay back 7.17.

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blinkingbuzzards:

Hi reel-ality,

Hope I haven't offended you with my offers. I respect your prices; it's just that I have trouble spending more than $10 on a commercial unless it's something incredible. Anyway, after I though about it for a while, I'd pay the starting price for Kool-Aid Man and Alpha-Bits ($10 and 13, respectively) if you can combine the shipping and send them at the $4.50 price calculated on the Kool-Aid Man listing (that's to US zip 15120.) So I believe that would be $27.50 total, and I could live with that for 30 second chunks of joy these will bring to myself and audiences. I do think the Alpha-Bits could be a nice addition to my Halloween screening for this year. And Kool-Aid Man, well, it's Kool-Aid Man! If that works for you, I'll use the BIN.

reel-ality:

THAT I can do, but when you do the buy it now, it wikll automatically charge you the full 9.00 shipping for both auctions, so, what i will do, (as, like you said, there's plenty enough to mail these off in the 4.50), I'll go to my paypal and use you're payment/e-mail info to paypal you back the extra 4.50. Does that sound good?

Please note: I have no access to the internet on Sundays, so if you don't hear back from me before then, that is why.

best wishes.

reel-ality

blinkingbuzzards:

lright, sounds good! I just used the BIN. Shipping came out to 11.67 (for whatever reason, Alpha-Bits had a higher shipping cost), so I think that should be $7.17 back. No rush on that if you can't get it today. I appreciate you working with me, and I look forward to the commercials.

blinkingbuzzards:

Hey, thanks for getting that $4.25 refunded right away. So, if you check the invoice, shipping came out to $11.67. Minus the $4.25 that's been refunded, that puts the shipping at $7.42. I know we had agreed on $4.50, so, when you get a chance, a refund on the difference ($2.92, to be precise) would be greatly appreciated!

reel-ality:

I'll look at that shipping thing there. i just went through all my auctions and saw that they shipping was too high and so I made sure that all of them were 4.50 for shipping (each item) so I'm kind of curious as to whay it would state over 11 dollars when it should have been no higher than 9.00 dollars for both auctions. I wonder if ebay is "padding they're collective pockets and yours and my expense. At any rate, they went out today and should be with you shortly. Enjoy!

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So, when I say "for whatever reason, Alpha-Bits had a higher shipping cost," I'm repeating an issue that I had raised a couple of weeks prior. It was clear that Osi was confused (either genuinely or willfully) when he quoted the incongruous figures of a total of $4.50 shipping after a $4.50 refund. In retrospect, I should have made sure he was very precise on his figures, since he would later pick and choose which of those terms he would honor. I felt that I was clear in my message about the price I expected, and when Osi said "THAT I can do," well, that seemed to me like clear terms of the deal, and I used the BINs with the faith that he would honor his promised refund.

I can't believe how long this loony matter has dragged on, and I don't feel the need to add anything else. Osi, feel free to have the last word on the subject.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 30, 2018, 02:30 PM:
 
Steven,
It may be the case that Osi genuinely thought that both items were individually listed at $4.50 each for shipping, and that therefore by refunding you $4.50, he would then be honouring your agreement by which you would pay just $4.50 for both items.
Personally speaking I would have felt that the right thing to do would be to refund you the remaining $2.92 and accept the fact that I had inadvertently not changed the shipping quote on the second item to $4.50.

Thanks, for clarifying.
 

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Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on May 30, 2018, 02:54 PM:
 
When I list items for sale on eBay I can clearly see what the shipping charge is for each item. Not sure why Osi's are always a mystery (to him anyway) I now list things with free shipping to avoid these types of situations.
 

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Posted by Steven Haines (Member # 6159) on May 30, 2018, 03:09 PM:
 
Agreed, Michael, that that very well may be the case. I tried to give Osi the benefit of the doubt, I really did, which is why I should add that the messages I just posted were followed by quite a bit of back and forth between the two of us in which I tried to make crystal clear how I was understanding the agreed upon shipping cost.

And here I am commenting on this subject once more. I wonder how many worm gears I could have replaced in the time I've spent dealing with this. (A partially self-inflicted problem, I admit.) Hope everyone's enjoying the drama, at least! The only fitting ending to this ludicrous tale is that Osi and I become BFFs in spite of our petty differences.
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on May 30, 2018, 03:17 PM:
 
Not really Steven. I cant believe this topic has had so much interest, as its all over less than I would spend over a cup of coffee....
 

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Posted by Rob Koeling (Member # 35) on May 30, 2018, 03:22 PM:
 
Optimistic thought of the day: Let's just be glad that our world is a lot less complicated than Osi's.

 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 30, 2018, 03:57 PM:
 

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...as its all over less than I would spend over a cup of coffee.

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Well, I can't speak for anybody else, but my interest had nothing whatsoever to do with the amount involved.

I guess I'm naive enough to think that others would feel the same.

 

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Posted by David Baker (Member # 3259) on May 30, 2018, 04:11 PM:
 
This has been one of the MOST RIDICULOUS posts on this forum !!

What's been gained out of it ??

For one thing BUYERS & SELLERS of eBay should settle disputes between themselves , NOT ON A PUBLIC FORUM .

Do you guys see how this makes the two of you look to other people in this hobby ?

If I were NEW to this forum and read the 3 pages of this thread , I would seriously reconsider BUYING or SELLING to either one of you . ( Steven & Osi )

And then the thread itself went from one subject to 3 others !

And I can't AGREE with Winbert more.......
 

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Posted by Steven Haines (Member # 6159) on May 30, 2018, 07:42 PM:
 
David, I agree with your assessment!
 

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