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Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 27, 2013, 05:03 PM:

Hello. I am discovering this forum. I am pleased to see that there is still some interest for the 9,5 gauge in other countries than France and the UK. I was wondering if anyone from another of these two countries is filming in 9,5.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on June 27, 2013, 05:46 PM:

I, from Italy. [Smile]

I have recently equipped, in fact I still miss projector (others I had lent it) and view finder (which the original 9.5 mm are almost impossible to find).

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 28, 2013, 12:33 AM:

Hello, Luigi. Welcome in the 9,5 world. I am not sure I understood exactly your message. Do you mean that you have a camera without viewinder (to see what you are going to film) or that you need an editor ?

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on June 28, 2013, 02:11 AM:

Ops, translation error, sorry! I just wanted to say that I can not find, because rare, a EDITOR VIEWER. [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 28, 2013, 02:22 AM:

;-) You should maybe try from time to time on ebay Franceor on other French sites. Editor is visionneuse in French.It is not very ususal but not so rare in France. Good luck.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on June 28, 2013, 01:02 PM:

True, in France are not exactly rare, but unfortunately also writing "visionneuse" I can not find anything for a long time, we hope endanger something on sale at a fair price!
You, Dominique, have an editor viewer 9.5? [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 28, 2013, 01:35 PM:

I haven't any 9,5 mm editor because I use projectors (I have different 9,5 projectors) to edit my films. However I have seen several times 9,5 editors in film fairs. There is a famous one in Argenteuil (close to Paris) in september. They sell different kind of materials in differet gauges. If you are in Paris at this moment it could worth have a look there but I would not advise to travel specially for that as there is a shrink of sellers (not only because of the Net competition but because the fair changed the dates (it was in January before because of the flu vacination campain that led to bulding requisition two or three years ago). I go there every year (Paris is close to Brussels). You can sometimes find very intersting items but of course you can have no garantee that you will find what you are looking for. I have received today the French Ciné 9,5 magazine but saddly I haven't seen any editor for sale in the advertisement section. I found a 9,5 mm editor to sale but it is expensive (298 €) http://www.antanbazar.com/autres.php You can see that they had two other ones but they are sold (vendu).

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on June 28, 2013, 05:35 PM:

Unfortunately live in the southern part of Italy, fairs themed around there are not many, unfortunately I can refer only to online.
I had seen the editor on the antabazar, but it is a very high expensive! However, do not give up, I try all the time! Ah, I'm going to subscribe to Ciné 9.5! [Smile]

Another curiosity: what model of 9,5 projector would you advise me? Keep in mind that I would use it for telecine, so I could use with the variable speed. On this forum recommend the Specto 500, but not much available.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 29, 2013, 12:58 AM:

I never practised telecine (I prefer watching films with a projector, on a real screen), so I cannot give you any advise about that. Ciné 9,5 is in French. The number of ads varies from one time to another but don't expect to find a lot. I like the magazine as it gives informations about the Ciné-Club 9,5 de France (http://cine9.5mm.free.fr/) activities and sometimes some technical advies like, this time how to convert a Super 8 automatic threading spool onto a 9,5 one. Back to your editor search, prices are often higher in France than in England. You may be luckier there. I would advise you to check if Buckingham Films services (buckingham@filmservices.wanadoo.co.uk) have not material you could use. I am sure they could advise you a projector for telecine. I advise you them because they are specialists in 9,5.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on June 30, 2013, 07:16 AM:

Yes, I already have in my hands a number of Ciné 9.5, I just have to fill the subscription form! [Smile]

I will follow your straight, in the meantime, I ask too that models of projectors do you have for 9.5, although not ideal for telecine. [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 30, 2013, 10:43 AM:

Where did you get the "Ciné 9,5" from ? I have several 9,5 projectors. Among them I have a wonderful little (and easy to carry) Eumig. My first 9,5 projector was a Alef one but I didin't know because the name of the make is ereased and one of the previous owner added a Pathe Baby motor so I thought for several years that it was a Pathe Baby (there was no Internet at this time). I have a Pathé Lux and a Pathe Coq (modernised with a more powerful lamp) for notched films. I have some others silent models and one Buckingham converted (from a 16 mm Eiki) optical and magnetical sound projector. I was lucky to buy most of them at reasonnable price. Before Internet, you could find much more film materials on flea markets and photo/cinema second hands meetings sales. If I had only known, I couls have bought so many more projectors (in all the gauges) for a song...I will try to find more 9,5 sound projectors as I owne only one and you never know what can happen. I would like also to be able to record with a sound projector, which I cannot do now with the Buckingham.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on June 30, 2013, 11:07 AM:

I'am in contact with a really friendly user of http://cine9.5mm.free.fr/ (maybe I've never asked for the name!), He sent me a "test" number with the docket to subscribe, which will soon!
You have beautiful projectors, congratulations, you are a true professional of 9.5 mm! I too would like to have had/have the ability to turn the markets, but, here, the short wheelbase is almost unknown. [Frown]

I've got the Eumig for 8mm (Phonomatic Novo) and are very satisfied.

Curiosity: but to affect the sound track with the projector that works is that first recorded the sound track on the sides (or one side) of the film, right? Would you do it alone or is there a lab that does it?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 30, 2013, 12:29 PM:

I am far to be a professionnal ;-) I guess several labs can stripe films but the one specialised in 9,5 is Color City, the lab that sells 9,5 camera film stock. Click on "Nos prestations", then look at the "pistage" (striping) section.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on June 30, 2013, 04:39 PM:

From Colorcity I ordered my first film in 9.5 mm, I'm still waiting. [Smile]

Also useful the "pistage" for when I pass on the sound!
Even you confirm for me that they were only to sell and develop 9.5 mm?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 01, 2013, 01:17 AM:

I am not sure I undestood the question. If you are asking if they are the only ones to sell and developp 9,5, the answer is yes. They invested in machines to do that. The market is sadly not wide enough to have many companies. It is already a kind of miracle that film stock is aviable as the gauge is 91 year old. I went to the French cinémathèque last year to attend a lecture for the 90 years of 9,5. The (large) room was full of people. I don't know how many people shoot in 9,5 in the world but I hope the gauge will keep on. Which camera will you use ?

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on July 01, 2013, 02:54 AM:

Computer it say YES! The UK is happily filming with 9.5mm film and I personally have 4 sound films in production.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 01, 2013, 05:06 AM:

Congratulations, Lee. Glad to hear that !

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on July 01, 2013, 06:46 AM:

Yes, Dominique, the question was that, forgive my bad english! [Razz]

I put a lot of faith in Colorcity, because I want to give very seriously to 9.5 mm, plus I have spent and will spend some good money there.
Only thing I found is that (Colorcity) do not respond to emails; maybe they have other addresses?
Now I have a National II and an excellent Camex GS with wide-angle and telephoto lens, a little gem.
Let me ask you a technical question on the film that I bought from Colorcity, I can?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 01, 2013, 09:55 AM:

I am not at all a specialist but if I can answer, I would be happy to do so and if I cannot, I am sure someone else could answer. I don't know why your e-mails have not been answered, I never sent them any e-mail so I don't know about an other address but you could try to send a message to Ciné Dia (they have a form on their Website).

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on July 01, 2013, 01:56 PM:

Yes, I also tried to write to Ciné Dia, they told me once, but then I found out that their "wing" no longer supports 9.5 mm. But I think it is still Colorcity their partners, then all OK.

The question: I bought the Fuji 9.5 mm from Colorcity (is a 50 ISO, right?). In my case is in three reels of 8.20 mt. because I use Camex GS, which has its three magazines. Since the Camex GS does not have the option to set the ISO, as will the footage shot in daylight? Obviously consideration that all variables will be set well (iris, focus, etc.).
And I can use that film in indoors with my spotlight at 3400 Kelvin? Needs the blue filter?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 01, 2013, 02:19 PM:

I don't know this camera but there is no "asa bouton" on any camera that doesn't have an automatic or a semi-automatic aperture. You will have to set the aperture yourself, following the classical "16 or 22 for bright sun, 1,9 or 2,8 for poor conditions and every condition between at a number between these" if you have no separate exposure meter. I use 30 metres reels and they turned from 50 asa to 100 asa. On the website they say the 3X8,20 boxes are 50 asa. To be sure, check the box. The film is outdoor, so you need indeed a filter to shoot at indoor light. Keep in mind that if you put a filter, the number of asa dropps and the aperture has to be adapted. You will enjoy even if you may have some bad surprises at the beginning but usually, even if it looks to be a "luck" matter, the film is correctly exposed. I confirm that Color City and Cine Dia are related, they have the same address.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on July 01, 2013, 04:20 PM:

This is camera:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeanarmor2/4484063921/in/photostream/
has a side with the instructions of lights, which you described too. [Smile]

On the old price list of Cine Dia also had 3x8,20mt 100 ASA, but they think they do not sell anymore. You know there is a description on the web about this type of Fuji (3x8.20mt, 15mt ...)? I've never found anything!

Then for the indoor should use the usual Wratten 80a and 80b that I use even for 8mm (which, as you rightly say, they also take the two "stop" on the iris). The problem will be to find the right size lens, or use of gelatin adapted, we'll see ... [Smile]

Thank you always for your kindness, Dominique!

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 01, 2013, 05:04 PM:

Nice camera. You have the advantage of the cartridge but the disavantage of the cost of the film stock. Of course, you cannot have everything :-) I am surprised about the exposure table on the camera as it is for 12 asa, which is very low. In bright sun, they advised 8 or 11. I would have set it on 22 and be afraid of an overexposure. I don't know why Color City sells the 3X8,20 m on 50 asa rather than 100 asa, I guess it is because the cameras who accept these cartridges have often a maximum aperture of 16 rather than 22 (but I am not sure that's the reason). This put aside, the 9,5 stock is Fuji Velvia, you should find several pages about it. It's always a pleasure to answer your messages.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on July 02, 2013, 06:42 AM:

Hehe, the cartridge... I have six, very comfortable! But galesttes... 50 € + shipping cost, gosh! [Big Grin]

Yes, the data on the side of the camera are very vague, probably very suitable for old films.
You ever use a 9.5mm camera in indoor with spotlight?
This is a forum where I found helpfulness and kindness, in your case a lot, I'm happy. [Wink]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 02, 2013, 10:56 AM:

I didn't try to shoot indoor with artificial light with an outdoor stock (some years ago, I shoot with an indoor stock but it is no longer avaible). Don't use too quickly an articial light while you can rely on natural light. If you shoot indoor close to a window when the sun is strong you have every chance with a 50 asa film (the one you are using) to achieve good results. Have you already shoot, yet ? I try to help as much as I can but I am far to be a specialist.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on July 02, 2013, 01:17 PM:

The shoot would be evening, with no light coming from the windows, but still not around, I'm waiting for a new film from Colorcity. [Smile]

Your experiences are useful, because they are also a large number of those that run in the 9.5 mm.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 02, 2013, 03:20 PM:

By the way, I have an outdated (1999) 3X8,20m 50 asa 9,5 box. I don't know what the results would be with that and I have no idea if the lab would accept or not to process it (maybe it's possible to erase the date ?) but if you want it, I can send it to you (for free of course). I you thing you could use these three rolls as test or to try to should titles or even to use as leaders, send me your post address in a private message. If I receive it before I travel on holiday (after tomorrow), I will sent it to you, otherwise you will have to wait september when I come back. Let me know what you are interested.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on July 02, 2013, 04:55 PM:

It will be a pleasure to receive it! [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 02, 2013, 05:00 PM:

Nice, so send me your postal address via the private message system.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on July 02, 2013, 05:21 PM:

Done, you arrived?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 02, 2013, 05:22 PM:

No !

Finally, yes.

[ July 04, 2013, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: Dominique De Bast ]

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