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Posted by Clinton Hunt (Member # 2072) on October 13, 2014, 11:14 PM:

Hi all,
I recently bought of Trademe here in New Zealand a German Projector ALEF I think it is called...and alot of 9.5mm films.I haven't screened the films yet but 2 of them are in colour, once I have screened them I will know what they are about.
Am I right in thinking that 9.5mm colour films are not readily available?
Cheers,
Clinton in New Zealand [Smile]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on October 14, 2014, 12:00 AM:

They were Pathé colour films in cartridges and, later, amateur camera colour films. They are much less common than black and white films but you see them on EBay or in conventions.

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on October 14, 2014, 02:29 AM:

I have a colour film in 9.5 and the nice thing about them is that the colour doesn't seem to fade and of course the definition is better than 8mm.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 14, 2014, 11:27 AM:

Are these the very rare color films that were hand tinted using the Pathe stencil process?

Posted by Ken Finch (Member # 2768) on October 14, 2014, 03:12 PM:

Hi Clinton, The only colour printed films ever issued by Pathe/ Pathescope were indeed a small number of the 30ft notched titles in the closed cassettes. They were coloured using the Pathe stencil process. Some of the Pathescope releases did have tinted sequences and I do remember seeing one of the "railway" dramas where the signal light was coloured red! However, there were one or two other companies e.g. Walton, who issued a few 9.5mm prints usually 100ft documentaries, in the 1950s. With regard to coloured camera film stock on 9.5mm. Before the war we had Dufaycolour, Then post war Kodachrome 1 and 11, Pathescope colour (Ferrania), Eastmancolor, Gevacolour, Agfa (Orwo)and maybe a few others I have forgotten about. You may also come across colour prints which were cut and reperforated from 16mm. Here endeth todays lesson!!Ken Finch [Wink]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on October 14, 2014, 04:22 PM:

Paul, they are rare but not very rare. At Argenteuil (last month), in a box full of 9,5 cartridges, there was one colour film. it was sold at the same price than black and white films (about 4 euros if I remember right).

Posted by Clinton Hunt (Member # 2072) on October 14, 2014, 06:59 PM:

And and informative lesson at that Ken

These must be home movies as they are about 300ft each.Will view them soon and then I will know what the subject is and the colour and definition [Smile]

Posted by Panayotis A. Carayannis (Member # 1220) on October 15, 2014, 03:05 AM:

Still available October 2014

"9.5mm STENCIL COLOUR FILMS"

Professionally produced by a French 9.5mm
movie enthusiast, this DVD now includes
all twenty of these rare and interesting
Pathé-Baby 1923 coloured 30ft 9.5mm
printed films with suitable background music.
(French titles - plays in all regions)

Only £7.95 plus 95p UK postage
send cheque/PO payable 'G.L. Newnham' to

Grahame L. Newnham, 22 Warren Place,
Calmore, Southampton, SO40 2SD, UK
www.pathefilm.uk

Posted by Clinton Hunt (Member # 2072) on October 27, 2014, 05:34 PM:

I screened the 2 colour 9.5mm films over the weekend,Home movies as suspected and filmed in 1955 on holiday in Italy and Greece plus the usual home movies of family playing and flower gardens.
Great colour which to me hasn't faded at all.
A great find for me to have colour 9.5mm films in my collection [Smile]

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on October 29, 2014, 03:57 PM:

In the 50s Pathescope issued Kodachrome in 9.5mm 30 feet chargers for their motocameras.
Walton Films in the UK issued printed 9.5mm Kodachrome films cut and perforated from 16mm originals.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on October 31, 2014, 03:45 AM:

Clinton The collection of colour home movies from decades ago I have still have gorgeous colour. These are on various film stocks that were available at the time and make interesting viewing. I treasure the old colour 9-5 films as they not only capture life decades ago but in colour. [Cool]

The Walton so called 9.5mm releases were not really genuine 9-5 format films being slit and re-perforated from 16mm prints but being printed on Kodachrome the colour is very firm and do have a few of these as well.

Off topic a bit but you will also come across 9-5 sound films which were printed in later years from other Pathescope prints. These are easy to spot when looking at the sprocket holes as you can see a ghost sprocket around the punched one. Quality is typically poor.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on October 31, 2014, 07:59 AM:

Lee, do you mean optical films not issued by Pathescope and not in the catalogues ?

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on November 04, 2014, 01:54 AM:

They were duplicate prints of Pathescope releases Dom, as I say you can quite easily spot them as the sprocket holes show a shadow. I believe Parade of the wooden soldiers was possibly the most duped being a very popular 9-5 sound film.

Posted by Ken Finch (Member # 2768) on November 05, 2014, 08:08 AM:

Novascope reprinted a few of the old Pathescope releases.Ken Finch.

Posted by Clinton Hunt (Member # 2072) on November 10, 2014, 04:39 PM:

I have now viewed all the 9.5mm travel home movies - 6 in total and they are filmed in the 1940s/50s with most in B&W with sections in colour usually showing gardens and scenery that benefits with colour filming.

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