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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 15, 2012 01:19 PM
Brad ...
"Cineavision" was just the name used to distinguish this from scope. However, Cineavision is actaul anamorphic scope in truth.
What was done with Cineavision prints, (for instance, my "Empire" print, nice plug, eh?! ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ) is that they, instead of just printing the scope image so that it completely filled the super 8 frame, they brought the original scope image "back" a little, placing black bars on the left and right hand side, so that the actual printed image on the super 8 frame, that you see with the naked eye (unsqueezed), is a perfect, or near perfect box, as the original 35MM frame shows.
To illustrate further, take a piece of 35MM film, say, from a scope movie trailer, hold that up to the light, now, place next to it a Cineavision print on super 8, and a regular scope print on super 8.
You will find that the Cineavision print directly cooresponds with the "square" image on the 35MM. However, the regular super 8 scope image is more rectangular and more likened to your old fashioned traditional TV "aspect ratio", which is not a perfect square.
Therefore, when you watch a Cineavision print on super 8, you are not losing any of the original image information when projecting while your standard super 8 scope print will cut off image information from both the top and bottom of the frame.
further "therefore" ... you truly are not being shown an anamorphic scope image, (besides the fact that you are squeezing it down anamorphically). You are seeing an image that has information missing from the top and bottom.
... and, depending on how much the film labs moved in on the original scope image, you may be missing a lot more image info than you can imagine.
I once compared the "Cineavision" BEN HUR 400ft digest with the scope feature that I have, shot for shot and I was quite struck how much the Derann (or Kempski?) printing came in on the image.
Some shots that were originally "Medium full shots", were now literally close-ups, which does detract from the overall impact that the film-maker intended.
OK, now, I'm sure that many, (Including myself), are going to cry over spilt milk over the fact that our precious scope features are not quite the original aspect ratio.
However, If I had the preference, being a lover of film and the widescreen presentation especially, I would much more prefer the Cineavision presentation of a super 8 print, over the average scope super 8, given the choice. The CIneavision image was certainly the "Cadillac" of the scope super 8's, while the standard scope super 8 is passable, but not accurate to the original image intentions.
I hope that explains it Brad. There is certainly a difference.
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"All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 16, 2012 01:05 PM
No, Cineavision are not letterboxed prints, (with Black bars at the top and bottom) ... they have black bard on the left and right hand sides of the frame to maintain that perfect, original scope image. However, you do need an anamorphic scope lense, (Kowa, ect.) in order to view them, just like you would need a scope lense to watch any other scope print on super 8/16Mm ect.
Another nice faotr to the Cineavision prints is that I have never, to this day, ever seen a hard to focus Cineavision print. Actually that is not too hard to believe though as, since these went through a deliberate process to maintain that original scope image, (black bars on the left and right) they probably used either 35MM master material or an excellent 16MM negative from a 35MM print. All of these are pin sharp!
The only drawback to these Cineavision prints is that, except in a rare few occasions, they were printed before the era of LPP, and so, while they did use some very good eastman (as all my cineavision prints are spot on in color), they will eventually fade if not stored properly.
That print of Empire I have, (another sneaky ad! HAH!) is a Kodak SP print, and while the color is gorgoeus, if not stored properly, it will fade in years to come. I keep it refridgerated, but even with doing that, sometime in the distant future, it will fade.
Another neat thing with the Cineavision films, is that many titles, especially cartoons, are only found in thier original format with Cineavision. While the Tom and Jerry scope cartoons have been released these days on DVD, (fianlly, and earlier on laserdisc), they were first available on super 8 many years beforehand,a nd some, such as the CIneavision print of "One Droopy Knight" is only available in it's original aspect ratio of scope, as a Cineavision title! I only recieved that one a short while back after a many year search!
I LUV this subject!
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"All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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