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William Olson
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 - posted July 18, 2018 04:07 PM      Profile for William Olson   Email William Olson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Anyone familiar with this projector? I want to know if the pulldown claw has one tooth or two. Also, there seems to be three potentiometers for speed adjusting and it seems to need a tricky balance between all three to get both 18fps and 24fps. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted July 21, 2018 11:08 AM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
William,

I'm not very familiar with the 8000, however I'm curious about your fps question. Is the 18/24 switch not working properly at either setting, or when adjusted correctly for one speed does not work at the other?

Doug

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Mike Spice
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 - posted July 21, 2018 01:38 PM      Profile for Mike Spice   Email Mike Spice   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It would be highly unlikely imo to have three potentiometers for two speeds. Doesn't make sense electronically.

The last time I saw a thread like this it was for a sankyo with electronic speed adjust (two pots one for each speed) and the chap adjusted the bias for the record amp by mistake, as the pots look similar.

He confused the pots

Proceed with care.

Post a photo if you can so we can rule that out

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William Olson
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 - posted July 21, 2018 08:37 PM      Profile for William Olson   Email William Olson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At one time, the pots were adjusted to achieve 20fps for film transfer. Now neither speed is correct when the 18/24 switch is set to either position. One pot seems to affect the 18fps setting, one seems to affect the 24fps setting and the third pot seems to affect both. All three pots are side by side in a small opening at the lower front of the projector below the lens. They are only accessible when the front cover is removed.

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Nantawat Kittiwarakul
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 - posted July 22, 2018 08:37 PM      Profile for Nantawat Kittiwarakul   Email Nantawat Kittiwarakul   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Coarse(overall) adjustment&fine tuning for each speed maybe? [Confused]

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Burton Sundquist
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 - posted July 23, 2018 12:45 AM      Profile for Burton Sundquist   Email Burton Sundquist   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Interesting thread. I've heard them referred to as trim pots. Potentiometer is the term I am familiar with regard to the Sankyo Stereo 800, they are accessible by removing the rear cover and the two potentiometers are located at the front of the projector on an IC board. The top one can be adjusted to alter the speed at 18 fps. The bottom the same for 24 fps. Very helpful knowledge I found. Can be very useful for film transfers and even re-recording but will not equal sync pulse.

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William Olson
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 - posted July 23, 2018 02:44 PM      Profile for William Olson   Email William Olson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here is a pic of the pots in question:

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Mike Spice
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 - posted July 24, 2018 02:59 AM      Profile for Mike Spice   Email Mike Spice   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
thats certainly not bias pots....
Thanks for the photo.

I am mystified as to why there are three pots however.

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted July 24, 2018 05:51 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
William
You can obtain a service manual from Oldtimer Cameras, here in the UK.
I am sure that such a manual would answer your questions.
https://www.camera-manual.com/model.php?modelid=2583

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Paul Browning
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 - posted July 24, 2018 06:57 AM      Profile for Paul Browning   Email Paul Browning   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I wonder if they were thinking of putting a variable speed control in it like the SS1200, and ditched it at the last moment .....

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William Olson
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 - posted July 24, 2018 09:06 PM      Profile for William Olson   Email William Olson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you Maurice. I have this manual and it has nothing in it that addresses this.

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted July 25, 2018 10:43 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's bad news William.
However, I searched through our site's postings and found a member who said:-
"My Chinon SP-330MV has three speed pots. One only changed the 18fps, one changed the 24fps, and the third one had an effect on both."
Does this comment help you in any way?

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Steve Klare
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 - posted July 25, 2018 11:48 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bill,

Does the manual have a schematic in it?

Some (Eumig) often included them, others (Elmo) didn't.

I don't have one of these, but I'd love to know what that third pot is for!

From Maurice's quote it sounds like an adjustment of the reference voltage that the 18 and 24 are being regulated against, but I don't know why they would want to do that: it's overthinking the plumbing!

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William Olson
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I think what Maurice quoted from a previous post is correct. I can tell you that the left pot adjusts the 24fps speed, the center pot adjusts the 18fps speed and the right pot seems to have an affect on both. That's why my initial post spoke of a 'balancing act' between all three. These three seem to need to be adjusted in just the right way. Otherwise, the speeds are off and jitter-free film transport is also compromised.

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frank arnstein
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 - posted January 01, 2019 12:26 AM      Profile for frank arnstein   Author's Homepage   Email frank arnstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
To all the forum members

If you are stressed and puzzled when faced with 3 Chinon speed pots instead of the usual 2, you can now relax.

I have worked out why a lot of the Chinon Super 8mm Sound projectors have 3 adjustable pots on their speed boards.

The outer 2 pots set the 18 and 24 fps speeds as per usual.

But the mysterious 3rd pot in the middle sets the rewind speed. Yes, it sets only the Rewind Speed. Who would have guessed?

So this original fresh information explains why there are 3 speed pots on Chinon sound projectors and not just the usual 2.

This news should dispel any confusion, speculation and rumour about the purpose of the 3rd pot and how to reset them.

Happy New Year to all...

Dogtor Frankarnstein [Smile] [Wink]

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William Olson
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 - posted January 01, 2019 09:15 AM      Profile for William Olson   Email William Olson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Frank, thank you for solving this mystery. Your explanation makes me breath a sigh of relief. When you say 'rewind' do you mean actually rewinding from the take-up reel to the feed reel or do you mean projecting threaded film in reverse?

[ January 03, 2019, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: William Olson ]

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