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Steve Klare
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posted March 18, 2019 10:05 AM

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Hey Greg!

I have an ST-1200HD and am considering doing the 2 blade surgery (Paging Dr. Norris!) in the not too distant future!

Why not? I never us it for 18FPS anyway.

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Leon Norris
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posted March 18, 2019 10:12 AM

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Sorry ,Steve, But I do the GS1200 Only! Thanks!

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Paul Adsett
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posted March 18, 2019 10:39 AM

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Leon mentioned the different size aperture plates. I actually prefer the larger opening aperture plate on the original model GS1200 because it a) gives a bigger picture and b) produces a brighter picture. The only down side of the original large aperture plate is that you sometimes have to ride the framing knob - depending on the frame line thickness on the film print.
Question for Leon: can the old (larger) version 1 aperture plate be switched into the version 2 machine?

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Maurice Leakey
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posted March 18, 2019 10:43 AM

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Pierre
The price of 400 Euros is cheap for a really good model GS-1200. I would be suspicious at this price.
However, if you get the chance of seeing it working before you buy you can make up your own mind.
Remember that this projector is full of electronics and can often have faults develop.
As mentioned above, an Elmo ST-1200HD would be better suited for you.

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted March 18, 2019 10:46 AM

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Thanks for all your advise.i think the owner is not a collectionor that's why it's this cheap. it seems that's not a good opportunity as it's seems. There's is so many characteristics and parameters who need to be aware off.
Maybe if the seller is okay for 200€ i will take it. I will continue to look after the elected projector. But having a projector who can accept big reel if a necessity because i plan in the futur buy full feature.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted March 18, 2019 11:12 AM

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Pierre, look at the lens. You may see 1.3 or 1.1 or 1.0. 1.3 is the cheapest lens. If you see 1.0, bingo it's a very good lens that gives you a bright picture. This lens alone may be sold aroun 250/350 euros. If you see 1.1, it's a good lens as well. It will give you a much better picture than an 1.3 one. A 1.1 is sold around 100/150 euros. Those lenses can be used for other Elmo models.

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Phil Murat
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posted March 18, 2019 11:42 AM

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Hi Pierre,

Depending on times to run movies and what kind of use is expected , from my own experience (I use GS1200 and Beaulieu 708 , same price in France) :

- Sound TransFer by pulse Sync ==> ELMO GS1200
- Film "Friendly" (means no scratch, splices friendly) ==> Definitly Beaulieu 708 which shows a clear and simple (Give up GS1200)
- Lens ==> more or less equivalent
- Sound Heads ==> GS1200 almost no life limit (BEAULIEU 708; 350 Hrs approx)

- Electronic reliability ===> Beaulieu 708 is quite simple and compact, probably the easiest to maintain by yourself.
GS1200 needs more Electronic knowledges.

- Mechanic "Design" : Beaulieu 708 is designed like classical 16mm machines with ball bearings fitted and compact subassemblies, 1 hour and 80% of the machines is disassembled !
Beaulieu's Film Path is excellent, no passive guides to scratch films. All films bought as new 40 years ago (Polyester or Acetat as well) are still showing the same mechanical condition....

If you have more specific questions, you can PM me....

If you need to pick up sounds from DVD and you need a very "film-friendly" machine too, you need both machines !!!

PS : Try to lower price for the GS1200. I have got a beautiful one for 250 Euros in perfect condition (1 year ago approx)

Same thing for a Beaulieu 708 EL (Mono). You can get one in good condition for 250 Euros now....

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Melvin England
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posted March 18, 2019 12:14 PM

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Pierre - At 400 Euros, I would buy it. If you find you do not like it ( I would be surprised if you did not like it) you could re-sell it easily and make a profit.

If you are looking for another good quality stereo projector which will be mechanically simpler, and you do not want pulse sync. or vari speed control for re-recording, may I suggest the Sankyo 800 ?
A solid piece of Japanese technology.

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Leon Norris
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posted March 18, 2019 01:04 PM

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Paul, No they can't be switched! They are different! Now what you can do is get a diamond file and file the aperture plate window! When you file. Do the bottom part. Go nice and slow. And make a even straight line! If you do it right you will get more picture and more light! You will be surprised! On how much better it is. I did mine it took a while but it paid off! Just remember go slow and keep a straight line! Do the bottom part only! If you mess up than you have to buy another aperture plate!

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted March 19, 2019 05:14 AM

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Thanks for your response. I will give a call to the owner to have a closer look at the machine and maybe discuss the price. Thank of your rewiew, i have now alternative for good projector who can take biger reel. And now i know what to look before buying a projector (lens, old/recent model,...).

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Dominique De Bast
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posted March 19, 2019 06:06 AM

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Pierre, if this projector is working petfectly well and if it has a 1.1 lens, or better a 1.0 one, 400 euros is a good price (but of course, if you can have it for lower...). A last thing, I want to add about the GS 1200 : the lamps are special 200 watts ones. They are more expensive than the standard ones but you can put standard ones as well (200 watts like the originals but you will get a little bit less light).

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted March 19, 2019 06:16 AM

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A good things to know,thanks.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 19, 2019 09:32 AM

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I would personally suggest making a decision soon, because if the projector is working well and the owner thinks of doing some research on what a GS1200 generally sells for, he may suddenly decide to significantly increase the price!

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Leon Norris
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posted March 19, 2019 11:48 AM

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Grab it while you still can at a good deal!

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted March 19, 2019 04:43 PM

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I will give the guy a call, i will let you know what's happen.

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Chip Gelmini
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posted March 19, 2019 06:13 PM

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I agree with EVERYTHING that has been said here.

However I will also say that I made the change to GS 1200 and I do not believe that I can ever go back to using anything else.

The machines require patience. It is one hell of a super 8 projector. A workhorse of a machine.

But also think of it this way it doesn't matter what brand or model you to choose to run. Given the age of this hobby and media - all will give trouble from time to time.

I stand by my GS 1200 machines for as long as I can continue this hobby for years to come.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted March 30, 2019 03:09 AM

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Some recent news ?

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 01, 2019 04:49 AM

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Hi,

Yes, i take a look at the projector and it have no problem to project the film but he was a bit dirty and the case had one impact but at first sight it doesn"t seems to alterat the projection. I have a long chat with the guy i was willing to pay maximum 280€(it's the money on my bank account) but his last price was 380€. I'm a bit sad but i have not lost hope to find a another one more affordable.

Thank you all for your guidance, i has help me a lot and it will still help me in the futur.

Despite this, i have some more news. I may post some topic on the 16mm forum. I come closer to the 9.5mm.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted April 01, 2019 05:31 AM

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Pierre
GS-1200 projectors still sell for much more that the seller's now quoted price of 380€.
If it is good condition, and works OK, at this price it is a good buy.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 01, 2019 12:06 PM

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Not easy with a student budget to buy a GS 1200. As Maurice said, it will be near to impossible (except if you're very lucky) to find this projector at 280 €. If your purpose is to have a 360 mt machine, you may look for a ST 1200, a Fujicascope SH 30 or a Revue Lux Sound 80 Stereo. They are not cheap but sometimes one of thos projectors surfaces at a bargain price.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted April 01, 2019 02:59 PM

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I have a Revue Lux Sound 80 Stereo and it's a good projector. It's only badged as such, it's made by Chinon and is their SS 1200.
I also have a Fujicascope SH 30, but these would be more expensive than the Revue/Chinon.
https://www.filmkorn.org/super8data/database/projectors_list/projectors_rev ue/revue_lux_sound80.htm

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 01, 2019 03:12 PM

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Maurice, I paid my Fujicascope €106 two years ago. This is why I meant by "bargain Price" 😁

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 01, 2019 05:05 PM

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I still have hope to found this projector. But since, i have enlarged my research to the ST1200 and other able to take biger reel.

I have already met the Revue Lux SS 1200, i paid 20€ for it but i found out the rewinding didn't work and i did not have the courage to fix it. I sell it for the same price without 1 hours. I kind regret it now.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 01, 2019 05:24 PM

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Do you have a pair of rewinders ? That's an usefull accessory.

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 01, 2019 05:36 PM

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Not yet, i'm looking for it but i haven't found one for less than 50€. The pair of rewinders are in my wishing list.

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