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Topic: Jurassic Park complete super 8 feature and others
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Jean-Marc Toussaint
Film God
Posts: 2392
From: France
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted February 18, 2015 11:13 AM
Vidar, I usually rip the DVD to a laptop (video and audio). I open the file in quicktime and decide on a visual cue. Generally a studio vanity or opening title. Sometimes they differ between the theatrical and the home video release. Then on the laptop, once I've decided which is my cue frame, I advance the sound by 12 frames as this is my eye-to-hand reaction time and let the file on pause. I then start the projector. Once the cue appears on screen, I press play on the laptop. As I've been doing this for years, I'm getting in sync most of the time. If not, I keep both the projected image and the video in my sight concentrating on cuts and speed up or slow down the projector until cuts on screen and on the laptop are in sync. As there's no sound coming from the projector, the speed changes are not being noticed by the audience. It's up to you to keep the projector in sync with sound, not the other way around.
There might be more sophisticated methods but this works for me. If it ain't broken, why fix it? So no need to reinvent the wheel.
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Andrew Woodcock
Film God
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From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 18, 2015 11:13 AM
Exactly as you describe Vidar and for each and every reel.
It basically relies on you pressing the start button on your DVD soundtrack machine at exactly the right time to a split second...then due to pulse sync, it will stay matched.
As said the problem with this, especially on a GS1200, is you are having to do this every 55 minutes or so due to the change in 1200ft reels.
May well be great for a show piece at a convention, but not exactly ideal for casual viewing at home.
For me, by the time you are having to do what Jean-Marc describes above for each and every reel of every film you may want to watch... you may as well just show the picture as well as the sound, through a digital projector and sit back and relax.
I love film but really could not be bothered doing this for my screenings unless I only had to do it once as the entire film fits on one reel. For me that limits me to 3000ft (around 2.5 hours) but for a GS1200 owner thats every 55 minutes or so!
I dont mind spending an age syncing for doing re-recordings because at the end of the event, you have an improved soundtrack from digital source for the life of the film but mute prints just would not work for me.
Even less so if I was an Elmo GS1200 owner.
[ February 20, 2015, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
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Maurizio Di Cintio
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 977
From: Ortona, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted February 21, 2015 07:45 AM
I am sorry Dominique, but indeed it's easier done than described: don't let the description put you off! If you can grab a fully working GS 1200 and one of the boxes by "Pedro" (BTW: any news???) or one of the similar devices sold by both Wittner and FFR Film, you won't be disappointed.
Paul, RE your questions, my workflow is optimal for both features broken down into 4 or 5 reels (or whatever) and assembled ones: of course using the ELmo GS limits me to a 60 minut screening time. In both cases I use the original leader the print came with: I capture each part of the film (or the assembled feature) and every part has its own original countdown leader; this operation MUST be performed with a quartz controlled projector (see further). Then I capture the DVD PIX/Snd and break it down accordingly.
At this point, I sync up everthing between the S/8 Pix and the DVD's Pix&Sound (this also is useful to check whether a print is 100% consistent with the video or if some frames are missing, in which case I cut the DVD version accodingly).
Once S/8 Pix and DVD version are perfectly in sync, I put a start cue beep on one of the first frames on the leader usually No. 10 or 8 depending on which type of leader the print is supplied with. Of course there are no images or sound from the DVD version but this is not important. The important is:
a) the numbered leader is consistemt with the specific film part
b) the first frame of action on film is synced to the first frame of action from the DVD
After placing a beep on frame 10 or 8 I also put another beep (check beep) on the last numbered frame of the leader (usually 3).
Then I burn a "presentation DVD" to be used solely for this purpose.
At this point I am ready for the screening: I lace the Elmo and cue the leader on the No 10 or 8 frame on the leader; then I leave it in pause mode.
Step 2: I set the ESS selector on the back speed board control to the right and put the quartz-control box in stop/pause mode as well
Step 3: I release the pause button on the Elmo and, because it is slaved to the control box, the light will switch to preheat and the transport motor will not start (no damage possible on film)
Step 4: I start the DVD whose sound output is fed to an external amplifier via the control box for the quartz sync. As long as there is no signal on the audio output, everything stays the same from the point of view of projector control; but when the cue beep is fed into the box, the electronics inside will detect it and simultaneously switch the projector to standard running: perfect sync since the beginning with no need to tinker/fidget with the speed control knob; AND the sync will be controlled until the end of the reel/spool by the quartz system in the control box. SO you can sit back and relax.
As you see, apart from building your own disc sound source, there is not much more to do as opposed to a regular screening. And - oh! there is no sound head wear: of course you can keep the Elmo in optical sound mode.
To do all this I use an Adobe Premiere editing software: mine is a very old version but for this purpose it works perfectly.
I hope this helps. In case you have other questions, please ask.
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Andrew Woodcock
Film God
Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 27, 2015 01:32 PM
It would be the same on any long feature Mark from that perspective using a GS, stripes or no stripes, given that you face a reel change every 55 minutes or so.
This is a high end user practice for those that want the best of both worlds by using the digital track while maintaining the beauty of film.
Not for us all, I get it, but you do have to take your hat off to those dedicated to the cause enough to go to these lengths, creating a tailor made soundtrack etc (in answer to your question).
True aficionados of our wonderful hobby!
Not a practice I see myself doing, but i have total admiration for those that do in their quest for perfection. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
I myself, tailor make soundtracks from digital sources, but only so I can re record magnetic stripe to a higher standard given the superb quality in today's lossless source material.
[ February 27, 2015, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
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Incidentally, how is it possible to know that the DVD's content is exactly the same as the 8mm sound/synchro wise.
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