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Mark Todd
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posted November 14, 2018 03:01 PM

Hi Tom Leon has come through for Evan, which is great.

I too think it was just a slip up.

Film can be a fickle old business with some stocks.

Everyone knows what Leon does for the hobby, so I thought he would.

Best Mark.

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Tom Photiou
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posted November 14, 2018 03:48 PM

thats good news.

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Graham Ritchie
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posted November 14, 2018 05:41 PM

Good news

Mark are you sure its for the film, as I have only read it as an offer to exchange the parts.

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Mark Todd
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posted November 14, 2018 05:53 PM

Your right Graham , sorry its my post stroke bonce again !!!

Fingers crossed that will include the film.

Best Mark.

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Brian Stearns
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posted November 14, 2018 08:09 PM

You misunderstood I was saying the seller should satisfy the buyer and come to a mutual satisfaction. The seller is burning bridges with you. No one wants to buy or do business in situations like this. I hate the whole as is no refunds. Always good to pay goods and services.

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Evan Samaras
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posted November 14, 2018 10:03 PM

Nothing has changed. Leon is firm that this item was sold “as is”
According to him, no returns/no refunds
The second print mentioned is Leon’s personal print.

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Mark Mander
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posted November 15, 2018 01:48 AM

Evan,
Surely he realises you bought it on his description and the private message stating no red at all would have sealed the deal,what a great way to do business,unfortunately this is happening more and more,it's not just the money but the disappointment and the hassle in most cases sending it back, some sellers on ebay don't know what they have as it's untested so you do take your chances but in this case no excuses.

Would you have bought it knowing the print now?,Mark

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Mark Todd
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posted November 15, 2018 02:23 AM

Well I think thats very sad Evan, its a shame when money becomes god so to speak.

I always bemoan the rising prises in films as it seems to lead to a seller over expectation, which seems to lead to an errosion of goodwill somehow.

Money gets the better of people rather than wanting to do what is right and fair.

$125 plus post is an awful lot of money for a 3 x 400 film in any order, even with really good LF colour.

But a film looking like this should be value less, a give away, or very cheap goodwill enjoy it item.

Well Evan I am very sorry, and so are other people. Try to put it in the past, and make sure you see some screen shots on any films in this price bracket in future with a what screen size please too.

Film seems to have a crazy, compulsive, and driven element for a lot of us.

16mm really does seem to be slowing back to more sensible levels overall now, bar the odd daft feature, hopefully super 8 will too.

My best wishes and forward to better things, Mark.

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Oliver F. R. Feld
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posted January 05, 2019 06:56 AM

Evan
I wanted to send You a mail but Your mailbox is full
Please send me Your E-Mail address
Regards
Oliver

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Osi Osgood
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posted January 07, 2019 11:24 AM

Tom ...

Either you knew what to look for, (good film stocks), or you just have had incredibly grand good luck with you're purchases through-out the years. Very good colour for that title!

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Tom Photiou
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posted January 07, 2019 01:12 PM

I think a lot of my films are pure luck but also i am very fortunate to have a dedicated room for all my films and its constantly cool all year round and no windows, so permanently dark. No sunlight at all. In the summer evenings, (especially last year), when it gets very hot, it's the perfect place to cool down with a movie or two.
I am only guessing that these conditions are pretty good for cine films. We still have our fair share of films showing signs of fading and we will continue to sell these on now and hopefully, make some cash for other titles that havnt faded .

As it happens, the one thing i do have to watch for in this particular room, is humidity, it.'s an odd one because on a crisp clear winters day and night the humidity is below average, as soon as it rains outside or is grey and dull it goes into the 60s on the metre.Even with central heating this only improves it until the dry weather yet the room is dry, carpeted and regularly cleaned throughout. All that said, after 20 years here i dont appear to have had too many problems with the equipment or stocks. [Wink]

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Del Phillipson
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posted January 08, 2019 03:31 AM

The way I see it is Leon should sort this as soon as possible as his reputation is now in tatters, who on earth would buy anything from him?

Plus I've known Evan for quite a while now and consider him to be a friend, one of the nicest people you could speak too.

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Osi Osgood
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posted January 08, 2019 12:33 PM

well done, Tom!

The perfect "recipie' for storing films. the only thing i would add is getting some of those "selica gel" packs and placing them in with you're films, to keep humidity from you're collection.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted January 08, 2019 06:03 PM

I've deleted a post here that quotes from a Private Message. A PM is a private conversation and may not be quoted unless the author has given permission.

Doug

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Tom Photiou
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posted January 09, 2019 12:59 PM

Kevin clarke very kindly sent me a number of the silica gel packs so they are already in place.

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Evan Samaras
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posted January 09, 2019 03:14 PM

I appreciate everyone's support in the thread. As you can all tell, there has been no response to this issue with the seller, who stated "sold as is." No point in beating a dead horse I suppose. At least everyone can be weary enough to ask for screen shots of "good color" prints from him, or stay away otherwise.

It's a shame when you can't trust an individual's word who otherwise had a good reputation in the hobby.

Thanks again everyone!

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Tom Photiou
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posted January 09, 2019 04:38 PM

Just a thought, a PM sent on here or any other website is, i assume, a PM, should this this one be deleted also,

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=001917

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted January 09, 2019 08:05 PM

Tom,

I was referring specifically to private messages sent via this Forum, which is my only concern here.

Doug

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Del Phillipson
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posted January 10, 2019 05:43 AM

I wouldn't personally touch his stock with a barge pole and anyone who deals with this guy after this debacle deserves all they get..

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Leon Norris
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posted January 10, 2019 06:28 AM

Hey Evan , WHO is a Dead horse? I am not going to stoop to your sorry level! But I will if I have to that's my Reply!

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Evan Samaras
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posted January 10, 2019 07:35 AM

I am not name calling Leon. The phrase “to beat a dead horse” actually means to waste energy on a lost cause or unalterable situation. I hope that clarified it for you.

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Bill Phelps
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posted January 10, 2019 07:38 AM

Leon a dead horse is the issue, namely your refusal to admit it's a red print. Have you never heard of this expression?

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted January 10, 2019 08:28 AM

Beating a dead horse: to keep talking about a subject that has already been discussed or decided.

There was nothing insulting in Evan's use of this phrase.

I'm closing this thread. The outcome should have been different.

Doug

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