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Graham Sinden
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 - posted January 07, 2008 11:21 AM      Profile for Graham Sinden   Email Graham Sinden   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Its also a shame that some older B/W titles which are less well known you get the movie and thats it, no trailer nothing extra. Im sure there is the odd other footage they could find or a trailer but this all costs money so most companies think its not worth it if not going to be a big seller. I suppose we should be grateful that a number of B-movies are released on DVD at all.

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Mark Todd
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Thanks Stewart, Can`t beat the Rathy ones can you.
We have the revamped The Day the Earth Stood still and that is fantstic, 8 feet wide its very impressive and what a film.
Is there soemwhere you can check ut the criterion titles, sound good.
Best Mark.
PS its a crime that quite a lot of even modern films are not put out with a trailer or even all of the various versions as trailers are soemthing quite special really.
Does anyone have the 1 or 2 disc version of 300 dies it have the trailer on please.
Thanks Mark.

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Alan Paterson
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 - posted January 07, 2008 03:36 PM      Profile for Alan Paterson   Author's Homepage   Email Alan Paterson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Chaps,
I have the good fortune to own Blu-ray and HD-DVD players as well as a 1080p HD projector. I use a 7 foot screen and I love the picture quality. I'm being given the chance to see movies like 'The Adventures of Robin Hood' in HD and it looks superb - the three strip Technicolor leaps off the screen. It's like watching a very good 35mm print.
'The Searchers' as you know was shot originally in Vistavision and the HD disc makes the most of this. '2001- A Space Oddysey' looks fantastic.

Now, I already own around 500 standard definition DVDs, which can be projected using the same equipment. The player and/or projector upscales the DVD to achieve close to HD quality.
While it looks good, there's still absolutely no doubt that a HD or Bluray disc is of better quality.
You may find it hard to spot the difference on a 42 inch plasma screen, but on a 7 foot projection screen (just like you'd use for film)it's hard not to notice it.
The best HD-DVD I've seen in terms of quality is Peter Jackson's 'King Kong' and the best Blu-ray would probably be 'Casino Royale'. So as with any format, if you have a good 'print' it makes all the difference.
We'd all like just one format, but I can't help feeling sorry for the HD-DVD camp. Their format was fully developed, while Blu-ray is still ironing out it's bugs.
I could have said that I'd hang on to see which format wins, but then I'd have lost out on the pleasure of seeing wonderful quality versions of films that I love.
Whenever I've bought a 16mm print recently, I've been disappointed in the colour/condition/sound. With HD, I'm looking at pristine new transfers which delight me.

So, if you haven't seen it yet, I'd say go along for a demo of Blu-ray with an HD projector. Trust your own eyes and no-one else's.

Alan

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Andrew Wilson
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Sorry Mark;There's no trailer on the 300;but the picture is pristine quaily on blu ray.
Paul that news was a shock for all who went HD instead of blu ray.
Guys,to me Bluray will be the winner.It also runs at 24fps just like film itself.
Yes blu ray discs have reg.code on them.I will do more bluray reviews soon.Andy.

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Mark Todd
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Hi Andy thanks I may go for the region 3 standard 300 dvd then as the trailer is on that and £10 delivered. I need my trailers. And yes please Andy many BR reviews needed.
Best Mark.

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Ricky Daniels
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 - posted January 08, 2008 07:03 AM      Profile for Ricky Daniels   Email Ricky Daniels   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Graham,

You stated 'Most DVD's you buy nowadays have excellent picture quality in terms of colour, contrast and sharpness and I dont see HD DVD being that much better' .

It's worth knowing that the major studios have been mastering in HD for a fair few years now and the majority of Standard Def DVD's you buy are down-converted from these HD masters.

So the picture grading on your Std Def DVD's (colour, contrast, etc) will be (or should be provided the down conversion is done correctly!) exactly the same as the HD version (Blu-Ray or HDDVD) however the impact will be in the resolution and detail which is quite an improvement and almost '3 dimensional' when you compare the two side-by-side on a large screen.

Rick

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Graham Sinden
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Im sure when I have HD I will be gobsmacked, but until then Im more than happy with standard DVD. Mabye old films like The wizard of Oz can be improved with a properly done HD transfer, but the current DVD is pretty sharp itself and dosent look like it should be much sharper, But I dont have a video projector or large TV yet. Eventually I will buy HD but Im not worrying about it now. Only time will tell what future HD has and what format will survive. One thing is for sure is that it is not the end as we will have Super HD and then Ultra HD, which makes Super 8 and 16mm film even more remarkable in its lifespan.

Graham S

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Graham Ritchie
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Was looking at a Sharp Blu-ray player not a bad price considering I payed a lot more for our first VHS back in the 80s even the early DVD players cost more, no doubt the price will come down further, what did catch my eye was the Panasonic PT-AX200E video projector that was running, looked good and at reasonable price, but just below this projector, and this is where I started drooling was a heavily reduced and new PT-AE1000E [Eek!] well I was [Smile] , the salesman was [Smile] , but my wife wasen't so that was the end of that, [Frown] however I can see the move to include Blu-ray in the future, oh! the salesman also told me he had the later model I think its the PTAE2000E out the back, very impressive specs on this one and not a bad price either [Big Grin]

There are a few Warner DVDs of old films that are good value what stands out here is that they include a newsreel, a short, and a cartoon of the time, and are on the front of the feature clever stuff from Warner home video, some of the titles are,

Angels With Dirty Faces 1938
The Petrified Forest 1936
Little Caesar 1930

Graham. [Smile]

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Osi Osgood
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These two titles are also in that special category with the cartoons ect. added on :

Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Adventures of Robin hood

the "Robin Hood" one also includes an EXCELLENT documentary from the turner network entitled, "Glorious Technicolor"

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Lee Mannering
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Graham.
My Wiz of Oz in the black & green box is the finest quality DVD in my own collection. We watched on upscale HDMI and its as good as I need it.

Off to see the Wizard now.

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Graham Sinden
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upscale HDMI, isnt that a halfway house to proper HD. How does it work and how good is it?

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Andrew Wilson
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Guys,Dont forget that both HD machines and Blu ray upscale your std.dvd's.Andy.

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