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Clinton Hunt
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 - posted April 29, 2017 08:58 PM      Profile for Clinton Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Clinton Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just a thought ... I guess the older our films get and the more times we screen them can have an effect,for example ... the picture may move up and down very slightly or is noisy as it runs through the filmgate.A lot of it is due to the perforations getting strained or pulled over time? I usually notice this stuff when I have a new projector or film and study the picture :-)
Maybe even sometimes it was duplicated like that?

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted April 30, 2017 03:29 AM      Profile for Tom Photiou   Email Tom Photiou   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
or of course our machines are wearing a bit and just need a little tweak. Those thousands of feet going through that gate etc must have an impact over the years on both film and machine [Wink]

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Brian Fretwell
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 - posted April 30, 2017 08:41 AM      Profile for Brian Fretwell   Email Brian Fretwell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Also films dry out cleaning and lubricating can work wonders at times.

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Clinton Hunt
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 - posted May 01, 2017 05:26 AM      Profile for Clinton Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Clinton Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Looks like my newly acquired Eumig Mark S 810 D lux might be in need of some sort of adjustment,my projected picture only moves or bounces slightly on that projector and not my Elmo.

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted May 03, 2017 03:46 AM      Profile for Adrian Winchester   Email Adrian Winchester   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd say any such deterioration on prints is generally intolerable, unless you have had reason to run them at least many tens of times. Apart from a tiny quantity that sadly show signs of 'accidents', I'd expect any of my films to still look as good as new, if they were new when bought. But some collectors may run their films more frequently than I do; with the exception of perhaps certain trailers, I doubt whether I've screened anything more than 10 times, and the majority would be considerably less than that.

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted May 03, 2017 03:54 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
I run mine far more than ten times each Adrian. If I did only view a feature a handful of times,I'd consider it too expensive a hobby for what they cost to buy in the first instance versus the pleasure gained from them.

I have screened prints like Mickeys Christmas Carol well over 30 or 40 times and they still look the same as when I got them.
You just have to ensure that if you suspect your machines are wearing slightly, only put scrap film through them until you can see for certain and then rectify the areas where the marks are coming from.

Once I see a projector CAN mark prints,I quarantine all of my good stuff from it until rectified.
For one or two machines this has now meant permanent quarantine of my better prints because of the risks on a regular basis, I know are undoubtedly associated with them.

I have found myself at that cross roads many times previously in this hobby and was about to give up on it all on more than one occasion in years gone by, as a result of this inability to screen as often as I'd like without risking the prints themselves.

[ May 03, 2017, 05:02 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted May 03, 2017 01:44 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester   Email Adrian Winchester   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Andrew - I sometimes screen 'Mickey's Christmas Carol' at Christmas but it doesn't really work for me at other times. If you've screened yours at least 30-40 times, how many times a year are you averaging, and does your audience enjoy multiple screenings?

I take your point about getting value from features but when a collection builds up considerably over a few decades, there's bound to be lengthy intervals between some screenings.

I used to hear people who sold their film collection saying they have been able to afford thousands of DVDs with the revenue, but the satisfaction they gained seemed to be the potential to watch the films rather than actual viewing, because the vast majority would stay on their shelves untouched!

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted May 03, 2017 02:42 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Adrian, when i first got MCC i watched it around a dozen or so times in the first few weeks and it wasnt even close to Christmas!

At that time, it was the best Super 8mm transfer i had ever seen and i was completely blown away by the print quality on 8mm. It was unbelievably good.
Still to this day, it is very much a firm favourite of mine, so much so i have many copies of it now.
My audience is only ever an audience of one Adrian, so my audience chooses its own appropriate screenings dependant on mood rather than season.😆☺

It is however an audience with an extremely crital eye and one which appreciates to the very full those prints which merit viewing just for the sheer adoration of the beauty we see on screen let alone the memorable storylines.
Films like these i can watch just to be all consumed by the standard of print alone.
Staggeringly good for such a tiny 8mm frame!

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted May 06, 2017 08:03 AM      Profile for Adrian Winchester   Email Adrian Winchester   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
'Mickey's Christmas Carol' certainly was an outstanding release to launch the Derann/Disney deal, although the quality probably meant that collectors grumbled more about 'The Little Mermaid' (although personally I still think this is a pretty good print). Derann probably wished they had released 'Mermaid' first!

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Andrew Woodcock
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MCC is indeed Adrian,..a very hard act to follow!

For that matter, I personally cannot find anything at all to complain about regarding the Mermaid print I have. [Confused]

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