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Frederick Jenkins
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From: Berlin, Germany
Registered: Apr 2012

posted April 30, 2012 04:01 AM

Hello,
I'm selling a rare and ultra-lightweight 8mm Berthiot S.T.O.P. "Baby Hypergonar" anamorphic lens, designed by the Henri Chrétien, inventor of the Hypergonar and anamorphic lenses himself, in excellent condition.
The lens is on ebay Germany now:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/8mm-Berthiot-Anamorphic-Cinemascope-Baby-Hypergonar-Lens-excellent-condition-/110870906709?pt=DE_Foto_Camcorder_Objektive&hash=item19d06bc755#ht_635wt_1189

I'm selling one, simply as I got two of them.
You can check vimeo to learn more.

Best,
Frederick

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted April 30, 2012 06:34 AM

I'm in. I bid on it. Looks like a great lens. [Eek!]

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted May 01, 2012 03:43 AM

This is the exact same lens that Joe sold to Akshay some weeks
ago that wasn't even treated seriously on this forum.

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Akshay Nanjangud
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posted May 01, 2012 04:07 AM

Yes, Hugh. Pity is: I don't have any scope features! [Frown]

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Martin Jones
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posted May 01, 2012 05:43 AM

The real point of the 1.75:1 ratio is related to the change in CinemaScope ratios soon after its inception. Early CinemaScope was filmed with 2:1 ratio giving a 2.66:1 Ratio from a standard 4:3 Academy frame. Subsequently, the ratio was reduced to 2.35:1,which needed a 1.75:1 (actually 1.76)compression to fit the standard frame.
However, Super 8 Commercial prints were made with a 2:1 compression, which accounts for the black masking at the frame sides on Super 8 to achieve the correct ration on screen.
I have a beautiful Magnarama 1.75X Anamorphic which I used to use for filming: this gave me the correct ratio. In addition to being focusable for filming it has large front and rear elements.
The attachment I use for projection of Super 8 Commercial prints is my Home Made one which is now over 55 years old!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted May 01, 2012 06:53 AM

Martin thanks.

There is so many technical info both in the Ebay description and in this forum about this lens where as a novice I need only one aswer.

Is this lens (with 1.75 compression) good to show majority scope films released on super 8mm?

Thanks

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Martin Jones
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posted May 01, 2012 08:23 AM

No, Commercial prints are made with a 2:1 "squeeze", so for projection of such prints you MUST use one of the many 2X Anamorphic attachments.
This lens is intended to be used with 8 mm (and Super 8) cameras and projectors for making YOUR OWN "CinemaScope" films in the correct modern CinemaScope ratio.
Martin

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted May 01, 2012 09:34 AM

Thanks Martin,

I would then stick with 2x anamorphic lens.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted May 01, 2012 10:09 AM

Actually the lens is perfect for the screening of commercial film,
because a 2x compressoin actually makes the amateur screen
just slightly too wide,because the professionals used up that
little bit of their film for additional soundtracks.The correct aspect
ratio being 2.33.1 whereas ours is 2.66.1.Therefore the little
Hypergonar is perfect,as you'd expect from it's creator.

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Martin Jones
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posted May 01, 2012 10:19 AM

Hugh,
I think you are confusing "Screen width" with "People width".
If the print has been MADE with a 2x, it should be PROJECTED with a 2X, otherwise people with appear thinner on screen. Not a lot, but nevertheless thinner. A sort of compulsory diet?
That's why, as I mentioned before, the width of the image on the film is actually LESS than the frame width (Black masking)giving you a 2.35 picture with a 2X anamorphic.
Martin

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted May 01, 2012 11:36 AM

With respect Martin.it's us the amateurs that are in fact overstretching the image by projecting at 266.1 whereas the
professionals use 2.35.1.The only "true" 'scope prints are the ANIMEX prints that gave the full aspect ratio to avoid cut off
and also cure the over stretching by the black bands either side
of the screen.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted May 01, 2012 02:11 PM

On reflection Martin,you're absolutely right and I'm wrong,of
course if it's shot in 2x and shown 2x it's got to be "normal"
my apologies.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted May 01, 2012 02:24 PM

So.....?

First I thought I have understood.... now I got confused again.

Again my question in laymen way.

You know all Derann scope prints, CHC prints, Red Fox prints, Cienavision prints, etc, etc

Supposed I have them all, do I need this lens or 2x lens?

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Mal Brake
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posted May 01, 2012 04:08 PM

Winbert,
For watching super 8 commercial releases you need a 2X anamorphic lens.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted May 02, 2012 11:06 AM

Akshay,haven't you any 'scope film at all to show?

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Akshay Nanjangud
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posted May 02, 2012 12:46 PM

Just three trailers, Hugh. [Frown]

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted May 02, 2012 01:18 PM

Got a nice little reel here Akshay entitled"This is 'Scope" in col/snd
all I require is your address and it's yours my ol' flower.

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Akshay Nanjangud
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posted May 02, 2012 02:27 PM

Thanks, Hugh. Sent you a PM.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted May 16, 2012 04:08 AM

Glad you got your film okay Akshay,tried to reply to your e-mail
but your box is full.

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Akshay Nanjangud
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posted May 16, 2012 10:29 AM

Thanks again, Hugh. I also emptied my inbox.

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