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Topic: Telecine / Videotransfer for DSLR Reflex camera

John Ponce
Junior
Posts: 2
From: Spain
Registered: Apr 2013

posted April 02, 2013 05:17 PM

I´m selling on ebay this telecine for DSLR cameras:
http://www.ebay.es/itm/151019863043?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

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Christian Bjorgen
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 996
From: Kvinnherad, Norway
Registered: Oct 2009

posted April 02, 2013 05:50 PM

Quite brilliant, but I would like to see some examples/test footage if you want me to spend 125 euros for it.

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Martin Jones
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1269
From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
Registered: May 2008

posted April 02, 2013 05:59 PM

I think a fair assessment is that the description on the box is a cynical misnomer!.
It is simply a "Slide Duplicator" with a built-in screen for projecting images on, so they can also be duplicated. The screen is MUCH smaller than those in conventional "Telecine" boxes, so will give even worse results.
Lots of photos of "accessories" that actually do nothing significant... but very impressive to look at!
Value? 20 euro, perhaps!
Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.
Martin

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Christian Bjorgen
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 996
From: Kvinnherad, Norway
Registered: Oct 2009

posted April 02, 2013 06:43 PM

Thanks for the heads up, Martin! Made a quick effort to look more into the product after your tip, and quickly found that it usually sells for around 35 USD on eBay, and it had 2/5 stars on Amazon.fr

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John Ponce
Junior
Posts: 2
From: Spain
Registered: Apr 2013

posted April 02, 2013 07:35 PM

Sorry... but the final telecine it´s better... theres some examples:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/dsc0233bc.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/dsc0161kw.jpg/

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Martin Jones
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1269
From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
Registered: May 2008

posted April 03, 2013 07:59 AM

Thank you, John, for the STILLS you put up, which confirm that the device gives about the quality one would expect from it. But Super 8 film can offer much better resolution... and the camera also can.... so the weak spot is the device itself. The grain is from the tiny screen, as predicted.
Not knocking the device,per se, ( the manufacturer is seeing further than the basic slide duplicator) or your enthusiasm for the item you are trying to sell, but simply the price. Much better results can be obtained by projecting on a sheet of A4 paper and photographing from that... cost for transfer equipment virtually nil. Best of luck though, with selling it!
Martin

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Joerg Polzfusz
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
Registered: Apr 2006

posted April 03, 2013 08:12 AM

Hi John,

why are these stills only 800x535? Is this due to image-shack or due to your DSLR-camera (e.g. stills taken from a 16:9-720p-video and reduced to the area that isn't black)?

Jörg

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John Yapp
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 148
From: Telford England.
Registered: Dec 2011

posted April 03, 2013 09:29 PM

does it all have to be perfect? I have found the source material has a great bearing on the results. I use an old Eumig 807D, a Panasonic DVD camcorder (ebay £38), a 16mm projector lens reversed, (ebay £10) and the diffuser from an old slide viewer. (free), and transfer in real time at 16.667 FPS.) Not great, but good enough for me. feel free to criticise, I can see all the errors only too well myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxjq_Jz36E&feature=youtu.be

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John Davis
Master Film Handler

Posts: 286
From: Dunfermline, Fife, UK
Registered: Jun 2008

posted April 04, 2013 05:27 PM

Hello John Yapp,
I'm impressed by your results. Would I be right in thinking you have gone via the avisynth/virtualdub route?
If I'm right can you give any tips on dealing with duplicate and merged frames?
John

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Martin Jones
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1269
From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
Registered: May 2008

posted April 04, 2013 05:56 PM

John (Yapp),
You have nothing to be ashamed of there John... your results are excellent...... and you are quite right, the quality of the source material is important. You and I have had some private correspondence on the whole subject and I hope that my suggestions have helped you to that result. I wouldn't have thought that anyone would be unhappy with what you have achieved, except for someone seeking perfection for perfection's sake! That falls into the category of the old HI-FI problem... listening for the FAULTS in the reproduction instead of enjoying the music.
Martin

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John Yapp
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 148
From: Telford England.
Registered: Dec 2011

posted April 04, 2013 11:24 PM

Thanks Martin. I have to say that your help and guidance when I was struggling initially definitely took my efforts up a few levels. Listen to this guy folks, he knows his onions!
John, to answer your question, yes, I use virtualdub with Videofred's avisynth script. I save my edited footage as an avi file which I then feed through the NO_DUPS script before using Fred's script with frame blending, as I feel the script with interpolation gives too many unwanted artifacts. Hope this helps..

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Janice Glesser
Film Goddess

Posts: 3468
From: Sunnyvale, CA USA
Registered: Sep 2011

posted April 05, 2013 03:17 AM

John, is NO_DUPS a script or a filter for Avisynth? Where can I get it? I found Dedup, but not nodups.

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Douglas Meltzer
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From: New York, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted April 05, 2013 03:19 AM

Just a reminder that this is John Ponce's thread about his auction.

Feel free to start a new thread about your setup John (Yapp). I think the results are spectacular.

Doug

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John Yapp
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 148
From: Telford England.
Registered: Dec 2011

posted April 05, 2013 08:15 AM

point taken Doug. Sorry John.

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