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Elyas Tesfaye
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 - posted August 05, 2015 10:15 AM      Profile for Elyas Tesfaye   Email Elyas Tesfaye   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all,

while going through the service manual to my EIKIs the other day, I came across the lubrication chart. I realized in my over three years of owning them, not once had I lubricated them [Frown] ... Please lemme know if any of you have, your recommendations and findings? Thanks [Big Grin] !!!

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Dominique De Bast
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Hello Elyas. You started a very interesting thread. I talked a few days ago with a French cine enthusiast who gave me good advises. We talked about lubrification and he told me that he put petroleum Jelly (but he actually buys it from the pharmacy so it may be called mineral Jelly in English ; in French it is the same word : vaseline) in the claw zone of his Buckingham 9.5 (so a modified Eiki machine) each 300 m (900ft) reel. That's something I never did ! My projector has been ot of reach (due to my slipped disc that prevents me to lift heavy objects) until yesterday (it was not lift by me), so I haven't open my Buckingham yet to have a look to see if it is easy or not to lub but I intended to do that tonight. So your post came on the right time and I will probably wait for advices before starting anything (except if I see it's an easy job).

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Maurice Leakey
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After every 300 metre spool? Definitely no.
The Eiki service manual (downloadable from Film-Tech manuals) says:- "Lubricate once a year or every 500 hours, whichever comes first."

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Dominique De Bast
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I made a mistake, he said after 10 300 metres spools. But I was surprised. He told me that first for the Heurtier superon and then said he was doing the same for the Buckingham. I answered that these projectors were not supposed to be lubbed as often as the older ones but he said that the way the work is the same. I had a look but it didn't seem to be easy to lubricate. Obviousely, as they say in the manual, they wanted us to give the projector to one of their technicians. I wouldn't mind to give my projector to Eiki once a year but in Belgium I think they stopped service the projectors.

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Paul Mason
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More problems are caused by over lubrication than by under lubrication of machinery. 500 hours for the Eiki is reasonable but given that few 16mm projectors will do more than 50 hours a year nowadays I think 4 years or 250 hours whichever is the sooner may be better. More important is to run a projector regularly at least every 3 months to prevent the mechanism becoming stiff.

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Dominique De Bast
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You're completely right about over lubrication and over care in general, that's why I was surprised about the "each 10 300 mt (900ft) lub". But on the other hand the collector who told me that owns old machines that run perfectly. As you said, it is important to run projectors regularly, especially those with electronics inside as there is a risk od drying for some parts if electricity doesn't go through for a long period.

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Simon McConway
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Do not overdo any lubrication. I have seen many a projector on the verge of ruin due to excess oil. WD40 calls for a jail sentence. Needle oilers allow for precise application. A few drops/small amount of grease followed by a good run, then repeating this again should be more than enough.

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Dominique De Bast
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Can you, or anyone else explain hom to lub the Eiki easily ? That would be great.

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Simon McConway
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The main area is the cam tank. From the back of the machine, you will see a silver screw securing a small metal plate on the top of the cam tank-move this to one side to add in grease. Car grease is fine here. Then leave the projector running for a good hour. Gears could benefit from a small amount of grease too. Keep away from the belt and pulleys though.

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Dominique De Bast
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Thank you, Simon, I will try that.

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Dominique De Bast
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simon, my model seems to be different (I have two 16 mm Eiki but sadly I will be not able to lift them for at least one month or two, so I cannot check if these have the design of your machine). I tried to lub from the lamp side but it was not easy to reach the tank you refered to, so I noticed a screw above the bulb and by unscrewing it I could remove the lampholder and the lamp easily. The tank was so more reachable and I think I succeded as the noise from the claw seems to be lower.

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Mark Todd
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I find my Eiki NT1 motor quite loud and sometimes a bit metalicy sounding, are there lube points on that anyone lease, or somewhere to drip oil in etc.

Many Thanks Mark.

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Elyas Tesfaye
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WOW!!!

this is a lot of helpful info and I can't thank you guys enough. The weird thing I can add is that, though the same model, two of my EIKI SSL-Os are quite different in this regard. One is whisper quiet while the other could be quieter. That having been said, I can't find my screw driver so will be sure to get back to y'all on changes, if any, post lubrication and thanks again [Smile] !!!

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ET

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Jason Moffatt
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Whats the best way to lubricate the cam tanks in the earlier eiki st series as they dont seem to have an access hole at the top like the later nt's ?

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Can Sanalan
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I'd like to know how to lubricate the Elf ST too?
My motor runs but the cam tank barely turns.

[ January 28, 2018, 05:27 PM: Message edited by: Can Sanalan ]

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Allan Broadfield
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What about the later Bell & Howells? The manual I use for my TQ3 states under maintenance and cleaning; 'Factory lubrication is built in, you'll never need to oil this projector. Permanently lubricated bearings mean extended service and longer life. Many parts which normally wear are adjustable, eliminating the need for frequent replacement'.
It goes on to recommend periodic maintenance, by their engineers of course.

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Maurice Leakey
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The Bell & Howell TQIII models have a felt wick which over time dries out. It is lubricated when the projector is professionally serviced.

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Simon McConway
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Given the age of B & H machines now they would need sparing amounts of lubrication. Car motor oil on the cam lubricator felt is needed. A few drops at a time, allow to soak in, then repeat. No WD40 or 3 in 1 and I would not use Vaseline in any way as suggested in a previous post.

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Allan Broadfield
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Thanks, it was serviced a couple of years ago by Kevin Brown so I assume this was checked.

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Tom Photiou
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I am curruntly attempting to bring my spare nt1 back to life. I have shared this on another channel and have had very good feedback. I am far from finished but will later share it here as well. I am NOT trying to tell people that this is how you do it, i am simply sharing what i am doing. What i would very much like from other enthusiats is any feedback you can give me. That includes any constructive crtisism that may also be of help to me. So far i have over 40 images so due to the limits here it may take a while but i will start this tonight and will look forward to sharing and listening. I also enjoy the hints and tips from other users

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