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Winbert Hutahaean
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This term was mentioned by Osi, in other thread, but I am not going to reply there because it can ruin the very Doug's topic regarding Rule #1

Osi wrote:
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I don't understand why ex collectors will come on the forums and complain about film either, suffering from, perhaps "Cine-envy"? [Smile]
Yes, I found this phenomenon not only now but since years ago, since this forum was first time released back in 2003.

I don't understand either why some ex-collectors when he/she gave up with this hobby and have sold his/her stuff then still joining this forum only to tell others his/her "best decision" and start inviting other to do the same.

This forum is definitely for film collectors, so if he/she does no longer want to be associated with film collecting then stay away.

I am not a philatelist so I am not joining the philatelic forum nor try to tell them that collecting stamps is useless.... [Big Grin]

I have a true story.

Few days ago, I took my 10 yo son to a thrift store. In that store my son found a Nerf gun and asked me to pay it, while he had similar like that at home. While we were talking about it, another kid took that Nerf and paid it. So I did not need to give more reason not to buy it, but suddenly my son said to me

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That kid was unluky, because he bought a broken (bad) Nerf
I asked how do you know it, we didn't even touch it. He just said

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I just knew it
yeah, he is 10 yo kid... [Razz]

cheers,

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Osi Osgood
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To put it in a "less suggestive' manner (as i did yesterday [Smile] )

... I think folks who sold thier collection, know that they made a bad choice and attempt to deride film and film collectors as stupid or uninformed to the "superiority" of film, because they know, deep down, that they made a bad choice.

How do I know this?

Because, years ago, (late 80's early 90's , you know, the days of the covered wagons [Smile] ), I sold my whole super 8 collection for 1,500.00 dollars an invested in projection Tv and laserdisc, and I quickly regreted selling my collection. laserdisc looked OK, (they still look OK) ...

... but boy, did my joy return when I personally returned to super 8/standard 8 collecting in or around 2002.

... I constantly pull out my film collection for viewings. i might pull out those laserdiscs once or twice a year, like yesterday, when i wanted the audio track for "Red Hot Rding Hood"

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Steve Klare
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I've seen it cut both ways. Some years ago some nameless (as it's often said) other Forum went full digital. At the time Derann was in the middle of that whole Wallace and Gromit Debacle and there was this atmosphere of celebration there.

-that was the last time I posted there!

Then again, a gent who had also gone full digital came to CineSea a couple of years ago (just to hang out among old friends) and went home with a projector and a couple of films in his car!

I have a digital projector now and we're having great time with it. It's nice, but it's not going to push me out of film any more than A TV, a bicycle, a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle or any other mode of amusement!

To me the difference is between "seeing a movie" and "showing a movie": two different things.

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Michael O'Regan
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Maybe it's just me, but, who comes on here and derides the hobby? I haven't seen any evidence of this. Maybe I'm just missing it.

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Tom Photiou
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Not too sure on that one either Michael.

I must admit, if i decided to turn fully to digital i think i would simply reduce my cine collection to a small selection of a few good features, shorts and trailers making sure i had something left.
I cannot imagine ever getting rid of everything. Its in my blood now, i have been collecting non stop since i was 16, (my own first purchase after my 1200HD was the Texas Chainsaw. 39 years now [Roll Eyes]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Mike and Tom,

This has been in place since the beginning of this forum way back in 2003.

I don't want to dig old stories, so I will not give the link of these particular discussions, you can try yourselves if you want to. But this is one screen shot of them:

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ps: I have deleted a name mentioned there for an obvious reason.

But this happened.

And now in 2017 when another member questioning why collectors are willing to spend that much money for films while it can be done through a DVD for a few bucks, I feel just a ressurection of the same story.

This is a film forum, people spend that much money to fill their hobbies. Just the same with other hobbies.

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Bill Phelps
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There is also a perception that any positive talk of anything digital is then being negative against film. So discussions on digital topics then get into arguments of film vs. digital. I don't really see any outright slamming of film. [Smile]

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Martin Davey
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I like to show movies (shorts) as a projectionist, so as to handle the film and projector, be there to deal with those technical adjustments that crop up, admire the way optical sound works,hear the machine working and have fun with the whole 'old school' operation, while bringing back happy past memories of buying my BW silents from Dixons.
I like seeing movies (features) as an audience member projected from Bluray so that I can enjoy the pin sharp big picture and full on sound, but importantly study the direction, editing, cinematography ,art direction etc of a film and not be concerned with technical details as to the films presentation.
It is a balance that works for me, both emotionally and financially!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Bill, I share the same view with you. I am using digital too for my daily entairtainment. I don't always have time to set up a projector and screen. So discussing digital is very OK for me as long as it is done in this category, General Yak.

What I don't feel right is when comparing the money we spend on films against DVD. And this is done by those ex-collectors saying that he is now a new born man or such, because can now have the same pleasure with only spending $5.

Is it right?

I am an avid Tom & Jerrt collectors. I have now collected about 115 episodes and have spent $$$$.

I can go to Walmarts and buy a $5 TJ compilation disc containing 10 episodes. But I cannot get the same pleasure of hunting and projecting.

This is a hobby, otherwise people don't need to buy fishing rod and baits, but just buy a kilo fish in Walmarts, since it can also give us a nice fried fish, isn't it? [Wink]

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Graham Ritchie
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Winbert

This in some ways reminds me of the story Roddy McDowall spoke of during a lunch break in filming the 1968 "Planet Of The Apes"

The actors who were playing the Gorillas and Chimpanzees were still in costume. Roddy McDowell observerd that when one of the gorillas sat at a table other actor gorillas sat down with him. The same thing happened with the actors dressed as Chimpanzees they sat down together at there own table.

So I guess its a human thing to be with your own....so if you follow that thinking through, eg you could say the ""Chimpanzees are Film Collectors"" and the ""Gorillas are VP home theatre crowd"""

Now as in the film the Gorillas and Chimpanzees do work together just like this forum, but like the actions observed during the lunch break by Roddy McDowall does say it all how humans can react.... [Smile]

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Steve Klare
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Roddy McDowell would understand: he was a film collector himself!

-at least until the FBI showed up and hauled it all away! (copyright issues...)

He was an entire chapter in "A Thousand Cuts: The Bizarre Underground World of Collectors and Dealers Who Saved the Movies"

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Mark Todd
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I love film, and I love Blu Ray projection too.

But I do enjoy film as a real fun hobby.

But demanding family situations etc etc mean Disc viewing makes a lot of sense.

Also the money you can loose on two ways post alone when buying films that are substandard can easily build up very quickly.

I`m sure that on this forum we all know more or less who loves real film. But its interesting what anyone thinks etc.

Chating about great digital releases just adds to the interest and variety on the forum.And I think that interest has a certain charm when its from filmie or ex filmie people anyway.

Its been said before, if you took Blu Ray players and video projectors back to 1895 ish, they would of snapped your hands off.

Likewise if you had the superb and such good value options of a Player and HD projector for £350-£500 even in todays money back in the 70`s what £100-£150/ £200 maybe even then it would of swept much real film watching clean away.

No one needs to panic. If you love real film, enjoy it and be happy.

Best Mark.

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Paul Adsett
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I've said it before, my digital projector has given me, and my family and friends,more enjoyment than any other electronic device I have purchased. It's a wonderful way to watch classic movies on a big screen. Flat panels don't come close.
But film has it's own incredible attraction and interest, and I think it just grows as time goes by. So I would not want to be without either one of them.

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Maurice Leakey
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I love the smell of film. I love the smell of projectors. I have been "into" films for 70 years. I have many films. I have many projectors of all gauges.
It is doubtful that I will ever consider disposing of any of it, although I do think that my 16mm projectors are getting heavier every day.
Digital for me, will never replace film.

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Mike Newell
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The church of Super 8 rises again. Thought I would introduce myself I'm John Ford I make films whoops wrong one that was Mc Carrthy era.

I'm Mike Newell I collect films all formats. I used to buy a LOT of films ask the dealers if you don't believe me. Anyway I have bought most films most genres had most projectors wrote in magazines attended conventions etc etc.

I also know the difference between a hobby and an obsession.

Anyway I might have downsized but you know something it isn't really your business. As for collectors complaining we have been doing that from day one get used to because it's called free speech. The fact is if it hadn't been for us older collectors you wouldn't have any low fade prints it would all have been all over about 1980/81.

As for who deserves to belong in this forum give me a break you don't expect us to take you seriously. Its not as if the many thousands (1000s )of members post like ever. You get more noise in a Quaker meeting. If they did post you wouldnt notice any of the digital talk.

No doubt the bile sorry replies will pour in now. Away to sit in the sun all those days in projector room lack of vitamin d etc

Have a nice day Hasta Vista baby😎😎😎

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Bill Phelps
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Yep and it's Sunday morning...you'all get off to church now!

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Steve Klare
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It's a delightful rant, but there are other forums more in need of it!

Projecting digitally is interesting. For the first time since I hung my screen in 2005, I'm projecting with a remote (actually two). It takes a lot of discipline not to point the remote at the screen and expect action!

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Martin Davey
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Not as silly as it may sound Steve. I point the remote directly at the matt white screen and the PJ still picks it all up behind me!

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Kevin Clark
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The same old subject which will no doubt go the same way as similar posts have before here and elsewhere over the past 20 odd years - 'Happy Birthday DVD' by the way - about 20 years old this year from the dates on the first ones I bought.

Such a shame really we could all get along just fine were it not for the film / digital chestnut sprouting up every now and then.

Both are great methods of watching movies / collecting / hoarding even whatever floats your personal boat but please post on these forums to instruct and encourage and never to criticise or dismiss the choice of others - that is where the ex-real film collector Killjoy attitude really does annoy so many of us.

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Paul Adsett
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Steve, take a trip down to Best Buy and get yourself an IR repeater. This consists of a little transmitter module that you sit next to the screen and a receiver module that you set in front of your dvd player, stereo receiver , cd player etc. Now you just point your remote at the screen as if it were a huge TV, and the little transmitter converts your remotes IR signal to an RF signal.Then the receiver module picks up the RF signal, converts it back to the original IR signal and beams it into your DVD, CD , amp, whatever. Mine works great and you can even have all your A/V stuff in a closed cabinet or another room!
My repeater is a 'TERK' remote control extender. Cost me $50.00 at Best Buy. Don't buy one of Best Buy's fancy $200.00 units, this one works great. Now manufactured by Recoton:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/recoton-infrared-range-extension-system/2940973.p?skuId =2940973

This is the same thing repackaged by TERK:

http://www.terk.com/signal-distribution/?sku=LFIRX2

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Ken Finch
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Paul's little sentence at the bottom of his posts says it all as far as I'm concerned!! If it was not for V.H.S.,D.V.D, and video projectors the number of films I could show in my home cinema would be very limited. being an "oldie" I still love to use the cine film projectors but it is nice to be able to start the digitals and then join the audience to watch the "film" without having to keep half an eye on the projector to make sure everything is running sweetly. Incidentally, I have always been able to operate the digital projector by pointing the remote at the matt white screen. Very handy for switching it on or off, and accessing the set up menu. Particularly when ceiling mounted. It is a trick Keith Wilton explained to me some years ago.
Ken Finch. [Smile]

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Andrew Woodcock
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Above....

Extremely well said Kevin, especially that last line of yours!

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Steve Klare
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I think the best place for the player would be up by the screen, if the question is how to make the remote work "normally", but this would put it 20 feet away from the mixer, 14 feet away from the projector and 30 feet away from the amp. (Cables: everywhere!)

-It seems I have some planning to do here. Maybe keep the player back with the Amp, use Paul's suggested IR repeater setup and a long HDMI cable to the video projector.

One of the funky things about it is the unpredictability of how the video system acts. Last week I loaded the disk, played a couple of reels on super-8, fired up the video projector and found myself in the main menu on the disk: perfect!

This week I did the exact same thing with a different disk and found myself a good five minutes into My Fair Lady.

-had to back up and start over!

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Brian Fretwell
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I've never had trouble with controlling the player and amp by aiming at the screen as mentioned above, about 19ft round trip for the signal. It works but not always 100% with the DLP projector as well.

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Martin Davey
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I can't say by what equipment you are using, but one of the things you can do with HDMI is to control all of the equipment through the one chain, with the amp having HDMI as well as the digital PJ and Player. My projector remote control is the only one I use, fired at the screen but it does also control some of the amps functions and some of the players functions, just through the devices talking to each other through the HDMI chain. Therefore all the equipment is at the back of the room, with just cables going to the speakers around the room. So playing a disc is a simple affair. The cine projectors when in use are placed at the back of the room and are near to the amp for simple patching in to the sound system.

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