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Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on July 30, 2012, 11:05 AM:
I was speaking to Steve of the Reel Image and I asked him about "Raiders of the Lost Ark" feature which I am looking for. He told me that he could get Brand New Prints from Germany in Scope and English Stereo Sound for around $750 and some change. I think he told me he could get other titles as well.
Since the Euro is a little lower for us in the USA it is a great time to purchase these new prints. He says many are placing orders with him. He needs a deposit down to order the print and then you can pay in layaway until the film is paid off.
This is a great alternative to paying the $$$ for used prints via Ebay plus it will help the Super 8 labs printing up the films to keep printing.
Once I figure out what other titles he has I am biting the bullet while the dollar is relatively doing well against the Euro. I think this is great news.
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 30, 2012, 11:48 AM:
Alan, when I contacted Steve Osborne, he sent the following titles. Most can be printed in 4-6 weeks.
Hard Day's Night (I believe available right away at $599)
You Only Live Twice
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Star Wars 3
Star Wars 2
From Russia With Love
Ghost of Frankenstein
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on July 30, 2012, 12:35 PM:
Steve O. sent a reel of one of these to Cinesea last October: sound and image were really great!
The interesting part was the reel had German titling.
-but how often do you get a chance to see "Die Welt ist nicht genug"?
If I had the bucks I'd do "You Only Live Twice" (...or the German equivalent!) for sure!
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 30, 2012, 12:47 PM:
Klare, Osborne did mention almost all features would have German titles. If am right, You Only Live Twice should be available to purchase immediately too.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on July 30, 2012, 12:59 PM:
My name is "Steve".
All I'm saying about the German titling is I found it interesting.
I'd love to have one of these films titled in any language I can read!
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 30, 2012, 01:09 PM:
Sorry about that, Steve. I initially typed "Steve, Steve did mention..." which I thought was awkward. Sorry again.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 30, 2012, 01:11 PM:
Woooow..this is a good news. No need to spend ridiculous money (remember Independence Day for $1000 or Star Wars for $1200) for our hobby,
Steve if you are bothered with thGerman credit title, you can print English title custom made (taken from DVD/BluRay) using various ways, e.g Cineavator or other type of machine or the easiest one direct shot frame by frame.
Posted by Oscar Iniesta (Member # 1731) on July 30, 2012, 01:43 PM:
I see in your list Star Wars 2&3.
I supposed it means "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return Of The Jedi"?
I didnīt know the last one was available.
If someone here have a complete list of new releases in europe or america, please send it to me;
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on July 30, 2012, 01:46 PM:
I put in my order for Empire Strikes Back a few weeks ago! Can't wait to get it!
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on July 30, 2012, 01:50 PM:
I just got home from two weeks in Germany, if German language bothered me I'd never have gone there!
I think the most surprising thing I learned was the Autobahn is exhausting!
-I drove from Berlin to Frankfurt in one shot and found all I was good for after we got to the hotel was chugging a liter of bier to relax!
Fortunately there was plenty!
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 30, 2012, 01:59 PM:
quote:I think Star Wars 2 & 3 will refer to the later SW Attack of the Clones & Revenge of the Sith as that is those films officially numbered after the prequel titles released.
I see in your list Star Wars 2&3.
I supposed it means "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return Of The Jedi"?
I didnīt know the last one was available.
Regarding Return of the Jedi, did you mean the availability this title on super 8mm or from Steve Osborne, because Jedi was available on super 8mm from Derann, right?
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 30, 2012, 02:02 PM:
By Star Wars 2 and 3 I meant Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes Back. Sorry for the confusion.
Posted by Mark L Barton (Member # 1512) on July 30, 2012, 03:16 PM:
I understand the autobahn has no speed limit?
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on July 30, 2012, 05:29 PM:
There are a lot of places in the system where the speed is limited by electronic signs and the lanes have individual limits.
The first time I went I spent a lot of time doing over 160 KPH (100 MPH) in the left lane. This time (10 years older) I was not running too much over 130 in the middle lane and still I found the level of vigilance it took to drive safely at that speed for several hours at a shot was absolutely brain frying!
We brought our GPS with us. It was hysterical listening to the mauling it gave German street names! We'd get up to the intersection, read the sign and say "Oh! That's what it's trying to say!"
(Sorry for the off-topic!)
Posted by Oscar Iniesta (Member # 1731) on July 31, 2012, 01:34 PM:
Hello, thanks for the asnwers.
I know Return Of The Jedi was released by Derann, but I donīt know nothing about Steve Osborne films.
So, if any american super 8 fan want to tell me if there are new super 8 releases or american old releases like Return Of The Jedi, please send me and e-mail; email@example.com
If any german fan want to tell me what super 8 features were released in germany it would be great for me.
I want to know what titles were in the market, and I am talking about all that were and are printed by order.
I just want to buy.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on July 31, 2012, 02:07 PM:
Where's Derann's 6 months no interest when we really need it?!!
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 31, 2012, 03:06 PM:
I wonder if they can do "Once Upon a Time in the West " in 'scope
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 31, 2012, 03:12 PM:
Hugh, I believe they can print any title. Also, I'd sent you a PM yesterday. Can you respond to that please?
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 31, 2012, 05:10 PM:
They do, Hugh.
'Once upon a time in the West' they supply is in scope (10*600ft reels).
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 31, 2012, 06:24 PM:
Thanks very much for the reply Gian,I was taken by those lovely
screen shots in another thread.All that remains is to kill someone
for the money to pay for it.
Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on July 31, 2012, 07:08 PM:
quote:Can it really be this quick? if so then why is CHC having to wait months and months for their titles to be printed. I was informed that the lab was understaffed and overworked hence the reason why Phil was having to wait so long.
Most can be printed in 4-6 weeks
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 31, 2012, 07:15 PM:
Graham, am just relaying information. So I don't know how it happens this fast.
With new features available for the prices mentioned, perhaps prices of used features will dip?
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 01, 2012, 01:38 PM:
It's good news if the high price of used features is helping to make new ones seem good value! I suspect that at least some of the people paying the highest prices on eBay have no idea that new prints are still available.
Does anyone know if the lab has made any progress with their plans to be in a position to reintroduce polyestar stock? Whenever I hear of a recent print of a feature being great quality, it makes me wonder if anything described that way can possibly be on the old yellowing acetate stock, so could anyone who has recently bought a colour feature comment on this?
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on August 01, 2012, 06:28 PM:
A correction in the List:
Star Wars 2 is "Empire Strikes Back" and Star Wars 3 is Episode 3 "Revenge of the Sith".
Only this two Star Wars features was released from the german source.
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on August 01, 2012, 07:01 PM:
The lab normally takes a little while (I'd say 2 months at least): they need to get an order at least for two prints of the same title to be in a position to supply it, Graham.
Hi Adrian, how are you? There is the chance to get prints on polyester, but as far as I know, no balance stripe on them .
You are totally right about their 'yellowing' acetate. I was told a year back or so - maybe more - that this 'old' stock was intended to be soon replaced since it was pratically exhausted.
Well, I'd say it is not yet, since the very last German prints I had on acetate were still on the same, yellowing stock.
Thanks for your kind comments on my pics from ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, Hugh. Well, German prints, referring to their prices, were never that cheap.
Does Steve (Reel Image) have an official web site? I asked someone else before, but I never had a reply.
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 01, 2012, 09:28 PM:
There isn't a Reel Image website, so Steve's releases are advertised via his magazine.
That old acetate stock seems never ending! It might seem acceptable for a short but I'd be unhappy if I bought a valuable full length feature that came on it.
I know the polyestar printing was suspended after the person who was doing the striping sadly died, but I know there was talk of then getting a suitable machine from somewhere. Hopefully they succeeded if you know that polyestar is again an option.
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on August 01, 2012, 09:30 PM:
Steve Osborne of The Reel Image (937-296-9036) He is in Ohio
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on August 02, 2012, 12:10 AM:
I understand the mag striper from Derann was scraped. If true, what a shame. Steve Osborne contacted me about making a negative for him, but when I contacted the guy with the printer he had scraped everything. Pretty soon there won't be any equipment or film for that matter for anymore releases.
Does anyone have a plan or design for a mag striper?
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 02, 2012, 12:56 AM:
Larry, so pessimistic a view. Spare a thought for me, I just got started with hobby.
Let's assume we get only non-striped prints in future. (a) How hard is it to sync picture and sound using some digital media? (b) Is optical sound totally out of question?
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 02, 2012, 04:17 AM:
To my way of thinking I would have no problem with a print on
acetate as opposed to a silent print on estar stock, in my mind
there's no contest.Why would I want to project a silent film with
a soundtrack from DVD, It would be simpler just to project the
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 02, 2012, 07:51 AM:
Akhsay, if it is full feature and you play 8mm on crystal sync projector, then there will be no problem to sync DVD sound with 8mm.
Optical sound is out of question. First and foremost it is less superior than magnetic. Second, it is mono. Third, we need to have own negative for optical prints (while magnetic can be done by reduction from 35mm negative or even positive) hence double the cost. Four, limit the buyer as not every collectors has optical projector capability.
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on August 02, 2012, 08:50 AM:
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 02, 2012, 09:30 AM:
Hi Winbert, not everyone has a stereo machine or in fact requires one and secondly,not everyone has sync facilities for projection
with dvd.It seems this hobby is slipping back to the days of the
synchrodec etc where projectors were played in tandem with
a reel to reel tape deck.What is wrong with striped acetate film?
it has lasted this far and will no doubt see us all off the planet.
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 02, 2012, 09:30 AM:
I don't think silent prints of sound films are an option because even demand for sound prints is very limited, so surely the demand for silent prints would be too low to cause any dealer to produce them. I expect the same applies to optical prints, although if anyone could produce them with decent sound, I'd buy them. The sound on my better optical prints certainly beats the sound quality that Derann could manage in their last few years.
I agree that it's a shame that Darann's striper (and presumably most of their other equipment for editing, slitting, etc) was scrapped but they said the striper was basically in poor, clogged up and worn out condition, so it would have been an enormous challenge for anyone to get it working again.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 02, 2012, 10:25 AM:
I agree Adrian, I remember Derek doing an article in Derann's
mag where he said that after a batch of the solution for stripe
had been used,the whole machine had to be thoroughly cleaned
down before anymore fresh solution was to be used.I often wonder
if using this stuff,it was a contributing factor to Dereks health, as
he did say removing it was the devils own job.When we talk of his
machine being "scrapped",do we actually know if it's still on the
premises,or been taken to the scrapyard?
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 02, 2012, 10:38 AM:
Thanks everyone. Now, Is there a film stock that is manufactured striped? Is 'per-striped film stock" even a possibility?
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 02, 2012, 10:56 AM:
I don't think so, as the old Kodak pre striped went long ago.Unless
someone knows different,I think that any filmstock for feature
release,if estar is unable to be striped, would be back to acetate or
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on August 02, 2012, 11:01 AM:
Ashkay wrote-"Is there a film stock that is manufactured striped? Is 'per-striped film stock" even a possibility? "
There was a time when I could go to Kodak and pick up a can containing 2 rolls of pre-striped stock. This was back in the 1980's. I believe Kodak discontinued pre-stripe in late '90's.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 02, 2012, 12:52 PM:
quote:Hi Hugh, when talking about mono vs stereo, I am referring to why optical print is out of question. It is nothing to do with people having stereo vs mono machine.
Hi Winbert, not everyone has a stereo machine or in fact requires one and secondly,not everyone has sync facilities for projection with dvd.
On synch issue is to answer Akhsay's question about how hard is to do this.
ps: in fact if ones install a DJ software where it has speed adjustment (+/-) there would be no need a projector with sync facility as long as you can catch up the speed through the software.
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 02, 2012, 02:04 PM:
Since my ignorance is as transparent as ever, I will keep going. What is the cost benefit of a non-striped print over a striped print? In other words, will a non-striped 120 minutes feature cost significantly lesser than it being striped?
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 02, 2012, 03:02 PM:
Akhsay, pelase remember when you strip film it has to be both to make the focus equal between left and right.
You can imagine that to custom strip for 50' will cost around Ģ4 (main track only) by EVT or will double for both track, and this is paste strip which is less superior than magnetic strip
200' = Ģ12
400' = Ģ24
600' = Ģ36
1200' = Ģ72
Now you can see how much is for stripping a full feature both track ....
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 02, 2012, 04:01 PM:
Winbert, are those prices for both main and balance strips?
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 02, 2012, 08:09 PM:
You can imagine that to custom strip for 50' will cost around Ģ4 (main track only)
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 02, 2012, 08:25 PM:
Sorry, Winbert. I should read more closely. With those numbers, it is easy to see that striping a feature length film is expensive. Once striped, sound still needs to be added.
Film projection seems to be more about the image than the sound (am I right?). If so, why stripe? I can suggest a naive solution.
1. Print your feature un-striped on 1200' reels.
2. A good projector plays 24 fps consistently for the entire feature. (am I right?) If true, it boils down to starting the sound on a computer at the right instant to achieve good sync. We are set for 1200' of film.
4. Repeat for next 1200' reel.
5. Most likely feature is complete in two reels.
We can use that DJ software Winbert mentioned too. There is something wrong with this logic, right? Please tell me what it is.
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on August 02, 2012, 08:41 PM:
Anyone that pays a lot of money for a feature would expect the sound on the film even if it was optical. Any other methods of synchronization will be troublesome or beyond the knowledge of the average collector. The problem seems to be striping polyester instead of acetate as its more difficult to get the adhesion of the stripes onto the print. When Kodak ceased manufacturing striped print stock Derann had to figure out the formula for the adhesive as Kodak would not divulge it. This was in addition to making the equipment for striping prints. With all that is involved, we are lucky that a laboratory still does this. If they sold pre-striped film for sound cameras there would be quite a market for it. But sadly, perhaps not enough for them to do so. I am not surprised at the time it will take to make prints to order because its custom work. If its done well, its worth the wait.
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 02, 2012, 09:30 PM:
Joe, I want to only speak for myself here. If it costs 288 GBP to stripe two 1200' reels, am okay with taking the time and effort to learn how to sync sound with the projected film provided I don't need too much money to do this syncing.
Syncing externally also opens the possibility of watching all classic silent shorts and features with different soundtracks. Every screening could be different in some way then.
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 02, 2012, 09:58 PM:
I presume the striping figures that Winbert quoted refer to what EVT charge for striping home movies, but striping can't be such a high proportion of the cost of features. Ģ288 for a two hour film would be roughly about half the selling price, and that doesn't even include the cost of recording!
Akshay - although I think it's inconceivable that we will see silent releases of sound films, there's no reason why you can't ask the distributor of a release for the opportunity to buy an unstriped print. They may be willing to sell you one for a significantly lower price.
Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on August 03, 2012, 10:27 AM:
Hi all, i'll just add a bit to this story as this seems quite a lively debate, living quite close to derann i would frequent the shop after work, most afternoons it was a hive of activity and alway's had the nail varnish remover smell, from what i remember there was a lot of machinery on the ground floor doing various jobs ,slitting , striping,putting sound on the films at high speed always that sound of mickey mouse in the background !!!!!.I actually made derek a slitting wheel for one of his machine's for which he returned the favour and i remember him being quite pleased with himself that they had found that the formula for the liquid paste was minus one element?. They left out the resin he said , don't know to this day who "they " refers to but was this the final ingredient to the paste stripe sticking or drying enough to put it succefully onto the film ? Maybe is my only conclusion. There was some sophisticated equipment in there,all gone when i collected my projector's just last year before it closed , as i said in a previous thread it could have been salvaged and stored to rise again like the pheonix out the ashes, how very sad.
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on August 03, 2012, 06:39 PM:
I seem to remember Kodak giving Derann the recipe minus that one ingredient and that Derek and his crew had to experiment to find out what it was. Now obviously, Kodak did this to protect their patents. But if I remember right, Derek was told that he could have the formula. Unfortunately when he got it, it was incomplete.
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on August 03, 2012, 07:57 PM:
Steve does not have a website. He does have a 24/7 phone 937-296-9036 . He is in Kittering , Ohio. His mom recently passed so he may not be available.
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 03, 2012, 10:47 PM:
I thank everyone who has answered my questions.
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 14, 2012, 06:00 PM:
Let's resurrect this one. Did you get Raiders of the Lost Ark, Alan? If so, can you share some details? Image, sound, ... Were the titles in German?
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on August 14, 2012, 07:11 PM:
I ordered empire strikes back. Steve said its in a box on its way! Will post pics for those curious. Cant wait!
Posted by Greg Marshall (Member # 1268) on August 14, 2012, 08:00 PM:
Very nice, Adam.... looking forward to your review and pictures.
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on August 15, 2012, 03:14 AM:
I shot off a letter to Steve to ask him to let me know about the procedure of getting Raiders in Super 8. Still waiting for a reply.
Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on August 15, 2012, 04:04 PM:
Just wondering if any of the mentioned titles could be ordered direclty here in Europe (they are printed in Germany, aren't they?) without the need to order in US from Steve O. so avoinding duties costs and excessive shipping costs.
I saw some of the same titles included in my long wanted list (I mention them as CHC prints...)
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 15, 2012, 06:39 PM:
Flavio, I think Gian knows where to contact directly. As that what he did with his Once Upon a time print..
Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on August 16, 2012, 02:50 PM:
I remember the post about Once Upon A Time In The West and I already contacted who can probably help me!
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on August 16, 2012, 06:02 PM:
So glad to read about that, Flavio.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on August 16, 2012, 10:14 PM:
Emailing Gary, it was very likely that the machines were to be scrapped.
Sitting dormant for two years made the machines unusable.
Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on August 17, 2012, 03:42 AM:
I saw you were so enthusiast with your OUATITW that i can't resist to try to get a new printed of my favourite wanted titles.
Let's see what will happen...
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on September 05, 2012, 01:46 PM:
Nearly a month now, Adam. Did you get that new print yet?
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on September 05, 2012, 02:02 PM:
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on September 05, 2012, 05:53 PM:
Is Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein still available with the german titles
and german sound?
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on October 28, 2012, 10:33 AM:
I GOT IT!!!! Empire Strikes Back came in the mail yesterday! So very happy with it too! Sharp, good color, and awesome stereo sound! I may post some pictures, as I have not seen any screen shots online anywhere. Very happy with my print!
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on October 28, 2012, 01:06 PM:
Steve does not have a ebsite. Hi phone number is 937-296-9036. He is in Kittering, Ohio.
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on October 30, 2012, 11:37 AM:
Posted by Jan Adolfsson (Member # 3325) on October 31, 2012, 02:35 AM:
I'm amazed that you still can get new prints on Super 8. I'm curious about how this works. Are these prints made under license from the production company or is it some kind of "pirate" prints? What kind of source are used for the prints?
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on October 31, 2012, 03:08 AM:
Here's a picture:
Just watched again recently. Mine was re-recorded by Lance Alspaugh and it sounds awesome.
Posted by Andy Ward (Member # 3328) on October 31, 2012, 03:42 AM:
Nice! Anyone know if Steve has an email address? (thinking of the effect that the Atlantic would have on my phone bill!)
Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on November 07, 2012, 05:39 PM:
I haven't been using 8mm for a long time, but want to get the good old feeling. I was just wondering, is Raiders of the Lost Ark going for 750 as a whole feature or just that 17-18 minute reel?
If it's the full feature, it's quite okay, but sounds expensive for the excerpt reel
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 07, 2012, 06:42 PM:
quote:Vidar, that is for a full feature.
is Raiders of the Lost Ark going for 750 as a whole feature or just that 17-18 minute reel?
If it's the full feature, it's quite okay, but sounds expensive for the excerpt reel
For the excerpt of Raiders of the Lost Ark will be around $35 - $60 depending on the condition. It is from Marketing Films. Most of them are printed on low fade stock, so will have good color until now.
Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on November 10, 2012, 03:03 AM:
Sounds awesome. Anyone have email or snail mail address for Steve? I am not too confortable calling, as my english is very stuttery, due to nerves :-/
Lovely to see people caring about movies ... I must say, digital cinema has ruined some of movie magic for me. When I was young, I went to the cinema about 5-10 times a week, but now maybe once or twice a year. Had to go see Prometheus, but mostly I wait for the Blu-Ray as I think sound and picture is better at home than the new cinemas.
Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on January 27, 2013, 03:41 AM:
Vidar, I have "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and, although printed on acetate, it has wonderful colors (full spectrum: no reddish or bluish hues, no yellowish cast except inbetween sprockets). Printing material comes from a somewhat worn out 35 mm positive, but this is only evident at reel-changeovers which feature dirt, scratches and all the typical defects that were common for a print in the early 80's, for a few seconds. Otherwise it's really enjoyable and conveys that added "cinema-theatre quality" that you invariably miss with ANY type of digital media.
So colors: A-
Sound: not present.
In fact mine is an unstriped print and I screen it with custom made sound clips, specially done for this print: a beep signal at the start, has the projector switch to FWD projction at exactly the right frame automatically while the sync quartz keeps the sound perfectly in sync throughout. But the machine is a GS 1200. Rhe result is excellent and you get actual dolby surround.
Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on January 27, 2013, 03:49 AM:
Drools over GS-1200 ... And Raiders :-)
Lucky guys ... I wouldn't mind too much a mono track either though, so I could use it on my ST-1200D MO
Posted by Julian Baquero (Member # 2520) on January 27, 2013, 08:45 AM:
I am resurrecting this thread. I don't know how I could have missed it. It's really exciting to hear someone is still doing fresh new prints on super8.
I read the whole thing and saw a lot of names and contacts, many of them with no websites. I understand the company doing this prints is in Germany. Why use a lot of intermediate contacts in the US and the UK, can anybody give the information to contact this German company directly. Can this company print in 16mm? 16mm uses optical audio, so sound would not be a problem.
I have to agree with Akshay, I am not a purist, so I seen no problem in getting digital sound to sync with the movies if this is raising the cost ridiculously. I have actually done this several times with 16mm. Extracting the sound track from a DVD and then running it in sync with the projection. I am an audiophile and let me tell you super8 sound is not that great, it actually sucks.
We could use this forum to get people into X or Y title, that way the lab could print several copies, and maybe see new titles printed. I would love to have a copies of:
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Singin in the Rain
In the Mood for Love
I know from the 35mm forum that there are lots of copies of this movies out there. I don't know how the legal rights work, but if we get 10 or 20 of us sign up for a title, it may be possible to get brand new copies of our beloved films for a rational price.
Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on January 27, 2013, 10:26 AM:
Phil Sheard at Classic is asking for suggestions for new releases on super, but says he doesn't get many people suggesting them.
If you want a title in super 8 I would suggest you contact either Classic Home Cinema or Steve Osbourne to put your request to them.
Do collectors want new release titles or older classic ones?
Me personally the new films other than the odd one don't appeal to me. I'll watch them on dvd, or stream them, but NOT many of them would I want to buy on super 8.
Now get to the older ones. Love them. Thinking about it I bought 'Raise The Titanic' it was a quite a new release I think at the time. And Derek sold it to me at Blackpool rubbing his hands at another sale. He was rightly proud of that release.
Think the attraction was seeing it at Blackpool on the big BIG screen.
My interest started to fade in the cinema as cgi/cgs appeared.
Sadly now I have more time to watch films I find the cost of new ones limits me.
On dvd 'The Expendables 2' which I rented for the better half, enjoyed a little, but felt more like a video game too me.
I wish you could still hire films. Are there any hire libraries in the UK, or anywhere?
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on January 27, 2013, 12:10 PM:
That's exactly the question I ask myself David of any new film,
would I pay to own this film on the bootlace, and the answer is
invariably no.Regarding suggesting titles, it doesn't seem to
make any difference now, it's a choice of a dozen or so and that's
it.The cost is prohibitive of new s/8, and I would rather search
out my preferences on 16mm.In the past, and I've done it myself
where you become a nuisance suggesting the same titles,but
then it paid off, today there are a lot of factors to impede any
new release.Things may pick up again,but it will be a slow
process.When Humphries Labs were in swing,they could print
out 400' a minute on 8mm, relatively cheaply,there was a
market, not so much now, well for the older collector, we haven't done so bad, there has been a wealth of stuff put out,
but theres always a film they missed on releasing.
Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on April 04, 2013, 12:13 AM:
I agree Julian, perhaps we could get a batch order in to the people in Germany.
I do wish they would do it for 16mm though!
Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on April 04, 2013, 01:35 AM:
I WANT BLADE RUNNER!
Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on April 04, 2013, 12:37 PM:
quote:I second it. Full cinemascope frame (with L/R hand side black bars), on poly and with both tracks...
posted April 04, 2013 01:35 AM
I WANT BLADE RUNNER!
Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 02, 2013, 08:38 AM:
As far as new Super 8 releases go. As long as it has a high re-watchability then I don't care if its newer or a classic. It just needs to be a movie I can watch constantly.
Also, does anyone know if these new Star Wars German lab prints are the theatrical or special editions?
I don't want to throw down a bunch of money only find a load of CGI in them.
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on July 02, 2013, 08:42 AM:
Original Theatrical releases.
Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 02, 2013, 09:23 AM:
Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 03, 2013, 09:11 AM:
Regarding suggesting new releases. A batch order might a good way to get a release made for a finite number of people but it would be beneficial to suggest a movie with a good amount of appeal so it can be produced for future buyers too.
If enough people could all agree on a movie to suggest and basically let that serve as a pre-order, it might work. It would be interesting to organize a vote and see if enough people could pledge to buy a print on a unanimous selection.
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on July 03, 2013, 08:32 PM:
Ernie - I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, but getting enough confirmed orders to make any new release - particularly features - is an enormous challenge, considering the limited market and the cost of producing a negative. It keeps coming up now and again here. A forum member, a year or two ago, was very keen to become a new distributor and make something happen - if only shorts/trailers - so he posted here several times, did considerable research, and then disappeared! Several years ago, enthusiasm expressed here for a feature release of 'Terminator 3' even resulted in Derann taking deposits but that failed too.
Phil Sheard of CHC often says that people never tell him what they want - and if I tell him what I want, he says no one else has asked for it - so at the very least a bit of organisation here could result in him and Steve O being given the names of several collectors who have said they would definitely buy a particular release.
Posted by Julian Baquero (Member # 2520) on July 06, 2013, 10:53 PM:
Adrian I am on Ernie's side. I don't know why, but must of the websites of business related to S8, 16mm and 8mm are really bad. I don't know how Phil Shepard from CHC make his marketing analysis but I can tell you his website sucks. It doesn't have any kind of contact or request form. Links are broken, no search engine, even getting a list of titles via email is a pain, etc. Many S8 vendors aren't even members of forums like this, other won't sell outside there country of origin, as someone said before in this forum "sometimes it seems as if they weren't interested in selling at all".
I think this forum and a couple others, are the right places to do the polls to find out what are film collectors interested in. Some might find Terminator 3 or Titanic great, IMHO they are really crappy movies, but I don't think finding 20+ customers in the forums might be that difficult. Can some say exactly how many are needed to make a profit out of printing a new film?
I suggest moderators open a poll thread to help with this research. I can imagine not all films are readily available to make S8 copies, so another option might be that the copies that do the printing do a poll listing the titles that could eventually be printed in S8. I could list 100 features I would love to own, but it is useless to do it in this forum thread, because it will eventually fade into oblivion.
You can count me on: Blade Runner, Sigin' in the Rain, Star Wars (1977 original), 2001, Pulp Fiction, Raider of the Lost Ark, Back to the Future, Snatch, The Godfather, Sweet Smell of Success, Godfellas the list goes on and on and on.
Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on July 07, 2013, 12:56 AM:
I second that idea. A poll here on what you would put money down for is a great idea.
I am sure you would get enough takers to do Bladerunner, The original Star Wars trilogy, Indy and Alien/Aliens straight up.
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 07, 2013, 01:22 AM:
Several titles suggested can be found used. Indy, Star Wars, Alien(s), etc..
Posted by Michael Scheck (Member # 114) on July 07, 2013, 02:10 AM:
A poll, a poll!!!
Yes, Julian, you are right! I really think that a poll would be a step into the right direction.
So could the mods please....?
I watched Scorseses "Hugo Cabret" for the third time yesterday - this great film is my biggest wish on S8!
Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 07, 2013, 02:30 AM:
I think a poll would be a fun experiment no matter what.
I'll make a Google Doc form and people can vote there.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on July 07, 2013, 03:11 PM:
This idea was originally posted as films that Derann should make.
I don't remember the original name of the thread, but it's on this Forum.
Posted by Julian Baquero (Member # 2520) on July 07, 2013, 07:26 PM:
Places to look for possible titles for the POLL.
IMDB to 250 films ( http://www.imdb.com/chart/top ), this is an all taste list, it covers commercial cinema, art house, "foreign films", etc, so nothing could go wrong, even Star Wars is top ranked!
My favorite lists are those made every 10 years by the British Film Institute Sight and Sound magazine, take in account there are 2 different lists, favorite films selected by top film directors (which I prefer) and the top film critics list (as expected somewhat more complex selection). It's very interesting to see how the list has change over the decades. Vertigo is now consider the first ranked in the critics poll, I think the movie is OK, but not Hitchcock's best and I would never consider it the number one film in cinema history, but such is life and polls. IMDB top 250 Sight and Sound critics poll Sight and Sound directors poll IMDB top
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on July 07, 2013, 08:36 PM:
Here are two topics from this Forum that discuss new film releases
Derann is asking What would you like to see in 8mm?
What We Would Like to See Released (Take 2!)
Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 07, 2013, 10:27 PM:
Thanks Julian and Michael! These resources will be very helpful.
I'm going to pool together a large list and widdle down based on various factors. I'll hopefully have this up tomorrow!
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 08, 2013, 01:03 PM:
I hate to throw cold water on this thread, but I was lead to believe
that ANYTHING was available, so as I PREVIOUSLY stated, anything
in a dozen or so titles are there for the not so discerning viewer
as long as it is STAR WARS related or INDIANA JONES, is that the
Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 08, 2013, 03:13 PM:
The structure of your statement seems to be clouding your point. Would you mind rephrasing? Maybe it's just me but I'm not quite clear on what you're trying to say?
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 08, 2013, 03:58 PM:
I think Hugh is saying the following:
Any title in the history of cinema can be printed. But the forum is limited to choosing any title from one of the three Star Wars movies or one of the three Indy movies. Hence, the choice is reduced to choosing one from six specific titles.
Right Hugh? I apologize if I am wrong.
Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 08, 2013, 04:19 PM:
I don't understand why the forum is limited to choosing from those specific releases.
I'm not really clear on that.
I mean anything can be printed but there are other factors. Source availability, licensing, etc.
Hugh are you saying that a majority of people just want Star Wars and Indy; and the other titles like Rear Window are just alternatives for the few who are looking for something different?
If so, I can't agree with that sentiment. Just looking back at old posts there's an overwhelming demand for Hammer horror flicks.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 09, 2013, 08:24 PM:
Ernie, don't get me wrong, there are folks on here, that LOVE the
"Star Wars"(OSI) sorry, that name keeps popping up, "Indiana
Jones" epics, I would LOVE to see a print of "The Big Silence"
or "The Wicker Man" on S/8, sadly it seems there are a handful
of titles that quite frankly are not on my 100th list.Indeed, I was
of the belief that any film was up for grabs, but the same old line up is trotted out.Akshay is "on the ball" when he says the same
films are available. Surely, there are collectors out there that require something more than Hollywood pap.
Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on July 09, 2013, 08:47 PM:
No, not any film is up for grabs unfortunately. When I spoke to Phil at CHC he said there has to be a good source available, and then they have to be able to make a negative to print from, which costs about 6000 British Pounds.
So for a film they haven't already made a neg of (i.e. less mainstream films I guess) then you would need quite a few customers to bring the price down to something sensible.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 09, 2013, 09:03 PM:
Say's it all Pete, why not just buy the film you want on 16mm.
The price of s/8 new is now self destructive, who wants to pay outlandish prices for a self depricating piece of film. Sorry, not this
horse, i would rather buy the dvd and project it for a lot cheaper.
Film now has run it's course, as a medium for new prints, as I said in an earlier thread, the secondhand market will flourish, but new releases will eventually die off.
Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on July 09, 2013, 10:49 PM:
Mainly because I'm yet to see a 16mm print of ESB, ROTJ or Star Wars that are better than the Super8 releases.
I would always prefer 16mm, just can't often find it in good quality.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 10, 2013, 12:58 AM:
Hello, Hugh. We all know that a dvd is cheaper that a film, but there are two different things. Woul you compare the cost a new Rolls Royce with the price of an old bicycle ?
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