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Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on February 18, 2015, 11:44 AM:

who is the millionaire bidding for the super 8 star wars feature on ebay item number 221686415612 I wish I was selling it .it would be drinks all round at blackpool up to 680 and still rising

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 11:50 AM:

All that money for a toy gauge eh David [Wink]

What a load of lunatics us Super 8mm fans are!!

[ February 19, 2015, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on February 18, 2015, 11:58 AM:

I hope the print is good nothing worse than watching a film what looks like you have sand in your eyes

Posted by Nigel Higgins (Member # 4312) on February 18, 2015, 12:04 PM:

Wish this was my print as currently selling at nearly twice what it would have been new ,but rember the last one on ebay sold in 2 parts went for over £700 in total crazy for 8mm print .must be a millionaire.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on February 18, 2015, 12:11 PM:

may bee one of our advanced forum members may be able to put a link to it on ebay I have put on the item number but don't know how to do the link

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 12:14 PM:

There you go David

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221686415612?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

There will be no sand in your eyes watching this David, I can assure you. These Derann later prints are simply stunning in most cases, hence the value.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on February 18, 2015, 12:15 PM:

well done Andrew I knew there would be someone

Posted by Nigel Higgins (Member # 4312) on February 18, 2015, 12:23 PM:

Madness now on £740 will it hit £1000 ??

Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on February 18, 2015, 12:31 PM:

I have to agree with the previous members. I know that there are some collectors of Star Wars film but the bidding on this is manic. It will be interesting to see the final price! Personally I wasn't that impressed with the film, but perhaps that just me.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 12:33 PM:

If you want it and money is no object, why not?
I wouldn't pay £100k for an oil painting, but plenty would.
It is a fantastic price for the seller though, just astonishing!

Rightly or wrongly Terry, you are in the minority with your view point of this film. For me, I like it quite a lot, just not as much as I like £800. [Wink]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 18, 2015, 12:58 PM:

Just like I said a few days back. STAR WARS super 8 items will go for premium prices, and it will get even worse as they new film gets closer to being released.

The main reason why it gets so ridiculous, is that this kind of item has a big "cross-over" appeal. That is, a lot of people, who don't even own a projector, would just like to say that they actually own a FILM PRINT of this classic movie ...

... and some folks say that us film gauge lovers are passé!

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on February 18, 2015, 01:01 PM:

The same seller also sold Pinoccio for £442.00, and Jungle Book for £285.00, so he's well on his way to £1500 just for 3 features on super 8. One thing Ebay does is get you into a bidding war, you certainly get carried away for sure. Just as Andrew says, neither would I pay £100,000 for any oil painting no matter who painted it, perhaps we should ask ourselves, would you pay this for a new print of star wars today from CHC?, I think we all know the answer to that. Would Derann have ever sold any at this price, I doubt it very much. Is this print that rare, for star wars fans this is still a must have, "May the force be with you".

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on February 18, 2015, 01:28 PM:

Sometimes (especially when you're the first bidder) you start to think of the thing as "yours" and it becomes personal. Once or twice I've let myself get caught up in this and felt a kind of gratitude when I "lost" it at the end!

This wouldn't be me: as much as I love "films" on film, I'd have to walk away as it gets closer and closer to the cost of a video projector, yet is still just one movie for all that money. As I've said before: I don't consider myself a "serious" film collector and this is deadly serious!

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 01:41 PM:

And just to follow on from what Paul was saying, let's not forget Beauty & The Beast for £381 also! just amazing prices for the seller.

I think what helps in this particular sellers case is the films are in as "on the shelf" condition as you are likely find now.

By that I mean, as if you were picking them off a Derann shelf in 1990 or 94. Original tails and leads all in tact, boxes and artwork all in more or less "as new" condition etc etc.

Ok you may have to point a bit of UHU at some of that artwork, but Derann used to put about 5 blobs on the entire A4 sized sheet!

These will appeal to Derann collectors as well as collectors of Star Wars memorabilia, double headed coin for some.

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on February 18, 2015, 03:15 PM:

Forgot about Beauty and the Beast Andrew, I didn't know it had gone for that !!!, almost twice what mine cost, but it was a stereo version. Still, star wars was a good investment way back then, twice the price so far and still not done. I think the millionaire is the seller here. Good luck to those buyers and sellers, it really keeps the forum buzzing.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 04:13 PM:

its an easy one to re record Paul. Mine was in German when I got it. It is probably the highest quality stereo soundtrack of any film I have now, its just brilliant!

I did it on the Bauer & PCDJVJ

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on February 18, 2015, 04:23 PM:

When I first saw it the price was £360 so it has gone up a lot. Still it is the original not the Special Edition so only on DVD in a (by comparison to a new digital telecine poor ex-laserdisc composite video master and not on Blu-ray at all.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on February 18, 2015, 04:33 PM:

... and no screen shots. I certainly wouldn't pay the price it is now. Not without knowing for sure what condition it is in.

Posted by Vincent Zabbia (Member # 2453) on February 18, 2015, 04:40 PM:

Must be one of the chosen 50 wanting to go one way to Mars.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on February 18, 2015, 04:43 PM:

tick tock tick tock will it go around the clock

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on February 18, 2015, 04:53 PM:

You never know what story may be hidden behind that kind of things. I remember in the eighties being in one of the few shops who were still selling studio Super 8 films in Brussels. A man was asking for a complet Super 8 version of The Jungle Book (which was not available at that time ; there were only two extracts on the market). He explained that hiw wife was diying and that she expressed the wish of seeing that film. This man would probably have paid a lot of money for the film his wife wanted to Watch. Of course, I hope that in our case, there is nothing so sad loke that.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on February 18, 2015, 05:31 PM:

mmmmm... interesting I wonder what my 16mm Scope print would be worth?...I paid $60 for it mmmmm [Wink]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 05:35 PM:

Just a little more I would guess than 60 dollars Graham if its on LPP!!! LOL

Get it Auctioned Graham! [Wink]

you might be able to buy a holiday home in St tropez!!!

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on February 18, 2015, 05:38 PM:

Keep in mind also that in regards to Star Wars beyond most films, is that if you are a big fan these Super 8 prints (and 16mm when you can find one low fade) are the best way to get the old versions these days that haven't been mucked about with...

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on February 18, 2015, 05:51 PM:

Absolutely Crazy, its only a film and after all its watching the film that matters however you do it.

Blu Ray, DVD super 8 it all goes in to the background once you are away if you are actually enjoying the film.

These sort of silly prices are more likely to do the hobby more harm than good.

I think it all feeds in to the mentality of screwing everything out of the hobby you can adopted by once enthusiasts even these days.

Thank Gawd for some cheep and cheerful bits in 8mm and 16mm and some still very kind people in the hobby.

Best Mark.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 06:04 PM:

I get where you are coming from Mark, but this poor chap (not implied in monetary terms) is simply selling a collection he stumbled across by unfortunate circumstances.

You simply cannot blame an honest, decent seller who put these on an auction site with a sensible reserve and without any means of even checking them first, for the eventual price that these fetch.

If we are to be annoyed at anyone, then perhaps we should contact the buyers of these prints at the prices they paid for unverified prints.

I know dealers that come under the same level of criticism for selling their goods this way, but to me, how can you possibly have a go at anyone doing things the honest way when the reserve prices are sensible ones?

I simply say good luck to anyone who can get fantastic money for once treasured and well looked after prints. It's what we all want and as such there is a premium price to pay when competing for 20 or 30 year old goods of value being kept in this condition.

I would love this print.. I can't afford it, but I won't lose any sleep over the fact as I am always more than happy with what I already have.

If you are introducing people to the hobby, I get that this sort of activity would be somewhat off putting, but I don't believe it causes the hobby any harm, if anything it just values it higher than we all do.

Perhaps if anything, it teaches us all the value of buying the right equipment to show these on and the value of looking after all what we have to our very best ability.

Instead of owning an "Alfie" 70's painting on our living room wall, maybe we are all sat on a "Mona Lisa" original at this rate.

Well that might be stretching the truth somewhat but you get what I mean.

[ February 19, 2015, 03:39 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on February 18, 2015, 06:32 PM:

Hi Andrew I`m not blaming anyone in particular.

If only people had suported Derann more.

But when you compare Bly Rays of 4-6 for about £20 or even less.

Thats why new young people coming in to the hobby are very scarce.

They may dip in and suddenly realise " get me out of here " !!!

I just think there is something silly going on, and cash value itself is getting more strong in some cases than the hobby.

Best Mark.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 06:44 PM:

You're absolutely correct Mark and I spoke with one such individual earlier today.

What can I say... they're suddenly becoming a very very treasured commodity are the later Derann prints. I was told many times over throughout the passing years that sale prices had peaked and it really was time to move them on and get in today's world.

Then you see a wonderful set of luscious screen shots like what Vidar posts regularly, and before you know it.. this is where we are.

I have a 19yr old stepson still living at home that thinks nothing of blowing £800 a month on clubbing, beer, fags (cigarettes for all our American forum posters ha ha) and women so in that context, I suppose to the mature, studious, quiet type of youngster, this is still affordable if it is what you value, even if it is at the utter dismay to all of his/her mates! (Buddies USA)

As for supporting Derann more in the time they were still trading
I have said before that in my opinion, just when things were really getting exciting on Super 8, e.g. Silence Of The Lambs within weeks of watching the FILM (because it was then) at the cinema, they simply released far too many in a short space of time for what was affordable by the average person at the time. That is why it is these prints above all others that are commanding the big bucks now.

So many of us, myself included, wanted the whole set in 93, now we have to pay handsomely for what we missed out on.

Things would have been very different I very much suspect if Derek had have lived till 80+, but he didnt .. so this is the situation we are all now left with sadly

[ February 18, 2015, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Clay Smith (Member # 4122) on February 18, 2015, 07:05 PM:

Wha..? my jaw just dropped. Currently $1,200 in US dollars with 18 hours to go. And it seems to be between two bidders, though who knows if anyone else is lurking in the shadows. Steve is right. This thing may have gotten personal. As in "no, it's mine!".
But wow. Hope this person has talked it over with their significant other.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 18, 2015, 07:13 PM:

Clay, if they had another half before bidding began, they certainly won't have by the end! ...Which is why you, I, and lots of others on here haven't cashed our 20yr pensions in to get this. [Big Grin]

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on February 19, 2015, 01:56 AM:

Well its been 16 years since I last screened the 16mm print and after looking at a few feet of it this evening, I would say, I wont be buying any holiday home in St Topez [Frown]

....its gone "RED"... would be lucky to get $6 for it, and that would be for the reels.

I am afraid "Star Wars" like all my Super 8 digests of this title have now faded into the sunset [Frown]

...thank goodness for the Blu-ray and video projection. It may not be the original edit, but its certainly better than nothing [Smile]

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on February 19, 2015, 03:31 AM:

Darn...should I sell my immaculate, first run print...hmmm...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 19, 2015, 03:33 AM:

Yes, to me please Rob! I will go and visit the Halifax right away Ha ha ha.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on February 19, 2015, 03:42 AM:

I just don't think I could do it, Andrew. Not without crying myself to sleep each night!! [Smile]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 19, 2015, 03:46 AM:

I don't blame you one bit Rob! [Wink]

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on February 19, 2015, 04:29 AM:

you cant beat black and white

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 19, 2015, 04:35 AM:

I don't think B/W would bring anything to Star Wars or let's say Independence Day, David???

These are stunning LPP prints, why would you wish them in b/w ?

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on February 19, 2015, 07:03 AM:

Star wars has taken on the classic car status now, everyone that turns up fetches mega bucks, and like classic car collectors there are those who say I have one of those in my collection, and there are those who drive them. At £800.00 and counting I hope he's got a scratch free projector to show it on. like anything for sale, its only worth what someone's willing to pay.cash or paypal rob?.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 19, 2015, 07:22 AM:

You must surely already have one of these set of prints already I would have thought Paul? [Wink]

You are soo.. correct Paul regarding the projector comment.
It would be criminal to ruin one of these.
I think if it was mine I'd have to laminate it before putting through anything other than a Goko!

I think it's a bit of a double edged sword myself owning one of these at this price as it almost becomes TOO valuable to watch. Yes it must be fantastic to say you own one of these, especially if you are Rob with a first run print, but if you cannot put the thing through a projector without having heart palpitations, what's the point of owning it?

I am 99.99% recurring, sure that neither of my main two would ever do any harm to one of these prints but at the end of the day, all projectors are mechanical devices and things can start to go wrong as we all know at any given moment.

[ February 19, 2015, 10:20 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on February 19, 2015, 12:37 PM:

Yes Andrew, I have the empire strikes back, first run print, but its mute at the moment and has a full length scratch along the edge of the print, although it is the extreme edge. The print looked very good to me other than this damage, with good sharpness and contrast. It was the subject of great interest at the time on the forum, and knowing the sellers past history with prints, it was a no brainer for me. This doesn't come up very often, and at least I can enjoy the print, without the worry of how much it cost.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 19, 2015, 12:46 PM:

Oh ok Paul, I just thought as your interest has never seemingly diverted you away from this hobby you would have already had a print of the 1977 film like this one for sale.

I just wished I had bought one now when I used to buy from Derann by visiting them in person.Trouble is as I was a devout ST1200 user then, it would have certainly been trashed by now.

If you projected your Empire film on a 610 you would not see that emulsion scratch at all due to the extended cropping at the gate on these.The only issue is without a Pedro mod...no pulse sync on these for your sound track.

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on February 19, 2015, 01:24 PM:

I'm a horror fan really Andrew, especially gothic horror and the universal stuff. I was never really a star wars fan to be honest, just a collector of film, but at the time I could have had this feature when it was around back in the day. I have the both battle star 400footers on universal and thought the quality fantastic with pin sharp picture and blistering sound, perhaps I thought nothing could come as close to this, certainly not from a little shop in Dudley selling films, how wrong I was how very wrong.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 19, 2015, 01:31 PM:

I used to love those 2x 400 footers that Derann had brand new and sealed from Universal. They were a real bargain back in the day for only £19.99. And that was when their colour was A1!!

I have a tiny selection of horror movies and would like to get a few more but they dont come up for sale much the likes of Poltergeist, The Fog etc etc.

When they do, they get snapped up I've noticed.
I still give Carrie a once over now & again but it's colour isn't anywhere near as good as these later Derann prints named above.

All done now £1035!!!!!!!! At least the Winner had been bidding from the early days of the auction.
Enjoy! And please please take great care of it [Razz]

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on February 19, 2015, 02:13 PM:

Yes mate, over £250.00 per reel OMG. The person was still bidding 5 mins from the end too, is this the most ever paid for star wars, I bet it is, wow what a final price. I have poltergeist on red fox, flat print, got that from Derann for £120.00 that was a bargain, beautiful low fade print, and I have the 600ft version of the fog, from ian at perrys, but the full feature of that went for £700 on ebay, and I'm sure that was perrys too. I bid on the fog feature but didn't win it, I'm not that disappointed really, I didn't get the story line, perhaps the 600ft doesn't do it justice, I suppose you loose the suspense of the feature length film. I guess the winner will need the "force" to get into his piggy bank LOL.

Posted by Nigel Higgins (Member # 4312) on February 19, 2015, 02:17 PM:

i bet we all wish we had a spare copy of derann star wars right now ,i watched the auction and it jumped £200 in the last 5 seconds ,the seller must be over the moon anxious times awaiting payment now ,but if truely brought by a millionaire will be nothing more than pocket change.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 19, 2015, 02:27 PM:

I'd settle for one copy Nigel never mind a spare! Te he [Big Grin]

Balls to it.. get it sold Rob!! ... only joking mate.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on February 19, 2015, 05:28 PM:

Wow, hope it isn't scratched, or has perf damage. That is the worse thing in fact. Think of the stress the buyer has to go through until it arrives... threading it up... fingers trembling...

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 19, 2015, 05:38 PM:

I am sure the seller has offered some reassurance to the buyer if all isn't A1 Steven.

I have dealt with the seller and he is a very decent chap indeed to deal with.

Nobody of sound mind is going to lay out this kind of money without some kind of guarantee of a return if all isn't A1 I wouldn't have thought....millionaire or otherwise.

I know I certainly wouldn't.

I personally, see almost no perf damage in any prints I buy on Super 8.
This seems to be more of a 16mm trait unless somebody has thrown a once decent print through something ridiculous like an Imac or Cinerex!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 20, 2015, 12:12 PM:

Wow ... U.S. $1,500!

However, one lucky chap (a fellow who is a member on here), sold his STAR WARS for $1,800!

So, it's not a record.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 20, 2015, 12:26 PM:

It is for a completely unverified print Osi.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 21, 2015, 01:20 PM:

That's a very good point!

I don't know if this seller owns or owned a projector, but just imagine how much higher the print might have went with actual screenshots from the print! [Eek!]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 21, 2015, 03:28 PM:

I did offer, but geography was against us. From that you can deduce that the owner did indeed, not own a projector Osi.

Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on February 23, 2015, 03:52 PM:

Dino is right on target ..in fact just about everybody's opinion on this thread is probably on target. It does give me a feeling of security in knowing that my stereo/scope Super 8 print...that I bought for 250 dollars about 7 or 8 years ago could be a source of needed money, if things get really bad. But right now...I'll just enjoy watching it every year or so...seeing the great colors...hearing the outstanding stereo re-recorded sound..and enjoying it. Maybe that's all the buyer of this print had in mind. He or she is just a lot more endowed with cash than most of us. At that high a price, he or she could not be buying it for an investment to sell for a profit.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on February 26, 2015, 04:54 PM:

You never know Gary, after all who would have thought 7 or 8 years ago that these could fetch £1000?

Given there won't be any more...ever... who's to say that the money paid when one is unearthed (usually through bereavement sadly), doesn't go higher and higher.

After all, the money paid versus the time that passes when one of these in top condition does become available, is already forming an exponential curve if plotted as a graph!

Perhaps in another 7-8 years we may be on here discussing the first print to break the £5000 barrier.. who knows?

Just make sure, whoever has one of these to use for purpose, that you treasure your asset dearly and project it only on an immaculate, trustworthy machine, or else you may be throwing away a serious amount of money as well as giving all us Super 8mm Derann fanatics on here that would, one day, truly adore a copy of this, an horrendous nightmare!

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