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John Cook
Expert Film Handler

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From: Papillion, NE
Registered: Apr 2004

posted May 24, 2005 01:11 PM

All,

I recently picked up an Eumig Mark DL projector on Ebay dirt cheap, my goal was to use this projector for capturing S8 prints via camcorder. I didn't have any time to do research on this particular model as the auction was seconds from closing.

Anyway, my Elmo GS1200 hot spots too much for my liking when focused up close ~12" diaganol, and I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with this little Eumig? Items of interest are how easy it is on films, quality of the resultant image and known locations of any known internal speed control potentiometers? I'll need to set the speed to approximately 20fps for flicker free capture. This unit comes with an Austrovar lens but I'm unsure of the quality, I guess I'll find out next week.

Regards and thanks for any info, John

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John Cook
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posted May 25, 2005 06:41 PM

Anyone have any experience with a Mark DL?

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Jan Bister
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posted May 25, 2005 08:45 PM

I tried searching for info online, even for other eBay auctions for the same projector (sometimes this little trick yields more information), but came up with next to nothing.

Have you tried asking the seller? [Smile]

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John Cook
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posted May 26, 2005 06:28 PM

Jan,

No I didn't contact the seller. Hopefully it'll arrive early next week and find time to answer these questions first hand.

Regards, John

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John Cook
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posted June 04, 2005 01:33 AM

FYI, The Mark DL arrived this week, to make a long story short I should have thought twice about the realities of a dual format projector before purchasing this unit. Although it probably worked just fine when fresh from the factory this unit doesn't want to synchronize the film feed to the shutter resulting in bad film registration across the gate. The image judder (up/down) is unbearable when compared to my experiences with Elmos of past and present.

I'll keep it around for those odd standard 8mm reels I occasionaly see but as far as being a viable telecine tool I have my doubts.

John

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Jan Bister
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posted June 04, 2005 03:50 AM

That's a weird one... I would guess that either the little disc thingie that controls the claw's in-out and up-down motion is worn out, causing it to pull the film down before the shutter is closed, or the shutter blades have worked themselves loose on the axle and are in the wrong position relative to where they should be. [Eek!]

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David Roberts
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From: Suffolk. England
Registered: Apr 2004

posted June 04, 2005 12:49 PM

John,
I have a mark DL and it works fine,very steady picture on both formats and no shutter problems of the type you seem to have.
The most usual problems on these are the rubber drive disks wearing so the projector runs slow,and the claw tip is easily broken off if you remove the rear gate without the red dot on the inching knob being uppermost.
The lamps are not that easy to find either,known as A1/45 in the UK.
The big feature of this machine when introduced was very good light output,hence DL=Dual lumens.
Also,make certain you are using the correct gate,light grey=super8,dark grey=standard 8. I know this may seem obvious,but without the instruction book its an easy mistake to make.

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John Cook
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From: Papillion, NE
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posted June 04, 2005 12:59 PM

Wow, thanks for all the replies, I'll tear it down over the upcoming winter and look for signs of wear and adjustment.

It does appear to produce a bright well focused picture at close range (telecine capture) but I stopped testing after I found I was unable to stabilize the picture.

One item that is broken is the front sprocket 8m-Super8 adaptor, the locking tab appears to have broken off and reels easily work their way of the sprocket and run across the table like the preverbial lost meatball.

Again thanks, I'll look into it further when time permits.

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John Cook
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posted July 26, 2005 08:20 PM

I tore into the projector last night, removed several decades of gunk and lubricated everything. She works pretty good now.

This projector only appears to support playback of 18-24fps.
Relatives have sent me a stack of standard 8mm movies to capture into the computer, the make/model of the camera is long gone (no longer available) but I'm assuming this camera ran at 16fps. It appears my only avenue for frame rate capture is to increase playback speeed to 20fps, 125% of normal 16fps playback speed. Does anyone know of a consumer telecine software program that will pad/insert frames into the captured avi file to bring the speed back down from 125% to 100% (ie from 20fps back down to 16fps?)

Regards, John

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Rick Skowronek
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From: Marietta Georgia USA
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posted July 30, 2005 02:34 PM

Hi John,

I've looked into exactly that situation with the capture padding and film speed adjusting up or down the actual frame rate once captured. I know of one program, and there may be others less expensive. It's Adobe Premiere. Expensive package but there's just about nothing you can't do with the captured images including frame rate adjusts. Have a trial package of it coming from my son and will be playing with it to see. Will try to inform you as I go through that process.

I ultimately will be capturing directly and digitally via firewire from the video camera. Second piece of that will be marrying the sound track back to it once a good flickerless picture capture is obtained. By the by, better have one whale of a system at your disposal. Mine will be a 2.8 GHz- PIV with a Gig of DDR memory and 120 Gigs of Raid0 disk storage purely for the resulting video. Video is a resource hog of the first order. Especially editing it.

Anyway, know this forum may not always appreciate telecine posts so will cut this short.

Regards,

Rick

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