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Osi Osgood
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I know for a fact that the two features released independently by Abbott and Costello ...

Jack and the Beanstalk
Abbott and Costello meet Captian Kidd

Were released on super 8. In fact I have a copy of "Jack and the Beanstalk" coming to me this week in the mail.

My question is: Does anybody know who released these two features on super 8? I wouldn't be suprised if both were released by the same company.

My second question is : Do you folks know what film stock they were released on? These were the two films they released in colour. The copies I've seen of this film, (even on TV and DVD) have largely had very poor colour, and I'd love to have lucked out on a good colour copy. Time will tell.

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Jose Artiles
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hi Osi!
I have the two movies with excelente colour,my prints were released by Viacom,the same company who release the elvis features,both are star stock (polyester).I buy the prints in 1984
and the colours still excellent. [Wink]

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Jose Artiles
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i forget to answer the film stock,sorry Osi.the film stock is eastman kodak,thats the cause of the poor colour in almost all the copies of both films,mine was cleaned with renovex II in 1990
and still having all the colour.

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Osi Osgood
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Thanks for the quick info. on the two films. There's a chance my copy will have good colour as well. What is this Renovex 2? I've never heard of the stuff.

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Trevor Adams
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Africa Screams

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Barry Attwood
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Osi,

The colour prints were Niles Films of the U.S.A. releases, I believe, Mountain released "Meet Captain Kidd" as a 4x400' B/W only feature and Powell Films released a 4x400' of "Jack & the Beanstalk" again only as a B/W feature both here in the U.K. in the 1970's. "Africa Screams" was a U.S. release, but I'm not sure who brought it out, as I've only seen it a couple of times here in the U.K. (It's a better print than the DVD's currently available, so that's something).

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Lee Mannering
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Its a shame but both my colour prints are now faded. Used to watch these time and time again with my young son. He is now 22 but we certainly gave them plenty of use when he was younger. How he used to laugh at them. Memories....

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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A few weeks ago I sold a Moutain Film 4x400ft print of A&C meet Captain Kidd. It was a bit soft but contrast was OK.

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Jose Artiles
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hi again Osi!
You have a P.M.

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Osi Osgood
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Got your p.m. dude! Crap!!! Niles film releases!! Okay, I've lost hope about getting it with great or even fair colour. Who knows ... it might actually have good colour.

Damn Niles prints!!!

wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more!

Interesting about "Africa Screams", Trevor. I wouldn't mind finding this one as well. It's memorable to me in that it also had Shemp Howard, of the Three Stooges. I believe that this was one of the last times he would appear without the stooges. He started with them in late 1946/early 1947, (actually, he was one of the original stooges in the very early thirties before thier big hits), and so Shemp's appearances outside of Stooge material became very rare, so "Africa Screams" is a real treat.

Oh, and Abbott and Costello aint bad in it either.

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Michael De Angelis
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Osi,

I always thought that Ted Healy
starred with Moe, Larry and Curly
before Shemp Howard. I believe that
Shemp honed the craft on stage with
the team prior to thier
screen debut as a group with Healy?
[Confused]

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Osi Osgood
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Shemp was one of the original stooges WITH Ted healy, but Ted healy was basically the straight man who would slap around the stooges. Ted healy was rather rough with the stooges and Shemp never liked Ted, so Shemp went out on his own and had quite a sucessful career apart from the stooges.

But he was never a featured player, and when Curly has his major stroke, Shemp came back into the fold, finally being a feature player.

Which brings up an interesting question :

Were any of the shorts that featured Ted healy and the stooges ever released on Super 8?

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Michael De Angelis
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Osi,

I have not seen 8 mm prints
but only 16 mm prints of
Beer and Pretzles and
Nurtsery Rhymes on ebay.

Many did not like Healy in
Hollywood. Incidently, I had heard that it
was "Cubby Broccoli" of
007 fame that was involved
with Ted Healy's Homocide.

But I may have incorrect info on this.

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Trevor Adams
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Osi,I bought Africa Screams for the Clyde Beatty bits!I watched this guy work big cats as a kid and it left a lasting impression on me!-stay away from Tigers! [Smile] Shemp "feels" his way around the jungle!Trev

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Osi Osgood
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Yes, Ted healy was an ass; one of those types that lest it go to his head. His career went downhill after the stooges moved on. He became very bitter and vulgar in nature, so it really couldv'e been any number of people, but i have heard that story as well.

Hey, maybe the stooges all chipped in and hired a killer!

Nyuk nyuk nyuk!!

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Douglas Meltzer
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Shemp was also in the Abbott and Costello pics "Buck Privates", "In the Navy", "Hold That Ghost", and "It Ain't Hay".

Doug

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Osi Osgood
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Do I detect a Shemp fan here? Besides Three Stooges films, what other Shemp material is there on Super 8mm? I wouldn't be suprised if there are some vintage old film features out there that he guest starred in.

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Douglas Meltzer
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Osi,

Actually, I'm more of an A&C fan, but coincidentally this just popped up on eBay.

Doug

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Osi Osgood
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This title has been on ebay for the past month and hasn't sold, or if it did, someone is tryin g to sell it for more now. At any rate, with the great success of the Abbott and Costello world war two comedies, (with the Andrews Sisters in tow), they thought they'd release one hi-lighting the Andrew Sisters, along with some other for the most part long forgotten song artists, and Shemp, who had been in those earlier Abbott and Costello films, (and some later), was in tow for this film.

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Osi Osgood
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Hey folks!!

Just thought I'd update this post to say that I got my print of Jack and the Beanstalk, AND WAS I SURPRISED!!!

I was thinking the worse, expecting this toi be a Niles print. It wasn't. I'm not sure who, but It stated "Cine-
-magnetics" on it, but perhaps the most telling statement was "Viacom", so this must have been a Viacom release?

What I do know is that the colour is almost perfect.
Not perfect blacks, but every single colour is there! I saw this film recently on TV from a very bad print, every colour was horribly off, even in the sepiatone.

I also noted that there was little or no wear to the nega-
-tive, which the TV print could not say.

I was glad that this story ended well. the seller wouldn't answer questions concerning the colour, so I was flying blind.
My luck is holding up!

Anyhow, I will do a review of this in the near future.

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Douglas Meltzer
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Osi,

I'm thrilled to hear there are good color prints out there of this title. It's been some time since I've seen it but I remember Lou singing "I fear nothing, when I am in the right....."

Doug

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Osi Osgood
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Just restating that I was surprised to find that the negative used was pristine, even at the reel changes. It must have been a library print or original master negative, as it was extremely sharp with very good contrast.

Not only that, but it appears that it was re-recorded by someone, as both film tracks had sound, and very loud volume
without distortion.

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Brad Kimball
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"Africa Screams" was a REEL IMAGES release. I have a print. The picture is pretty good quality, but the sound has a bit less treble than I would prefer. Overall, it's not bad at all. I only paid about $100 back in the early 80's.

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James N. Savage 3
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These public domain A&C's were printed by numerous super 8 companies in the 70's. I believe Red Fox Films in Pennsylvania also printed several of these. Red Fox prints were usually very good, but still may have been on Eastman stock, and faded some by now.

James.

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