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Jacques P. Fontaine
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From: Waukesha Wisconsin USA
Registered: May 2009


 - posted May 22, 2009 10:03 AM      Profile for Jacques P. Fontaine   Author's Homepage   Email Jacques P. Fontaine   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello one and all!

My name is Jacques Fontaine, Jay for short and I am a total newbee with super 8. I have been doing digital and Hi8 for years and just became interested in film because digital didn't give me everything I wanted artistically.

Any how, I just bought my first super 8 camera, thought I'd start out "cheap" until I got my "sea legs" under me. I just received my "new" Yashica 50XL ($29.95 on eBay). I say "new" because this camera has never had batteries in it let alone film! It even smells new! All seems to function correctly but man! this thing is noisy! I'v never had a film camera befor so is it normal to make very loud (to me) noises when running or will this calm down with film in the camera or because it sat for 20+ years does it need a "lube job"?

Please advise!

Regards,
Jay F.
Wisconsin

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Claus Harding
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From: Washington DC
Registered: Oct 2006


 - posted May 22, 2009 01:38 PM      Profile for Claus Harding   Email Claus Harding   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello Jacques, and welcome to the forum.

A film camera will make noise. It is a mechanical transport incorporating the loops and pull-down of the film mechanism, and those will never be as quiet as a video camera (unless you find a way to make a sound-dampening cover.)

The dedicated Super-8 sound cameras were somewhat quieter than the silent-film models (so they wouldn't interfere with sound recording.)
Still, I think your reaction is simply also one of never having had such a camera before, and not being used to 'running noise'.

There is the possibility that the camera may have a defect or be 'clacking' loudly due to, perhaps, lack of lubing, but there is no way to determine this from your description.
Best way to find out if the camera is ok, is to load a roll and go at it.

Dwayne's Photo has Ektachrome, which is the cheapest way to start:
http://www.dwaynesphoto.com/common/3Super_8_film_for_sale_ad.pdf

Good luck; let us know how it works,

Claus.

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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 - posted May 22, 2009 10:17 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sometimes when I shoot Super-8 my wife is shooting DV at the same time. We've had to develop a rhythm of alternating cameras because if I am within 6 feet of her my camera noise winds up on her sound track.

-so yes: a film camera is a little noisy.

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All I ask is a wide screen and a projector to light her by...

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Bill Brandenstein
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From: California
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 - posted May 25, 2009 10:24 AM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The best way around the sound interference (other than shooting non-sync sound environments) is to use external mics on the DV camera that are directional in characteristic and placed strategically to hear less of the movie camera noise, as in at a distance or the movie camera in the "null" of the microphones.

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Simon Wyss
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From: Äsch, Switzerland
Registered: Apr 2009


 - posted May 26, 2009 04:58 AM      Profile for Simon Wyss   Email Simon Wyss   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My advice: Switch to Double-8

Open cameras (mean you can screw on lenses), spring drive (never let you down with lack of electricity), attachment electric motors, larger capacity, serious metal film guidance, purring often very silently, surprising choice of raw stock: positive, reversal black and white, negative black and white, reversal chrome, virtually everything available in 16.

And then the projectors. No Super-8 projector compares to a Bolex-Paillard M 8 or a Eumig Mark S or a well maintained P 8 or the Bell & Howell Autoload in caring hands.

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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 - posted May 26, 2009 07:10 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I hear what you are saying Bill, but keeping it simple is kind of essential where my wife and cameras are concerned!

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Bill Brandenstein
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 - posted May 28, 2009 01:08 PM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Fair 'nuff, Steve! [Smile] Better to have beloved help, though perhaps less infatuated with the details than we, than to do it all alone!

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