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Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 01, 2004, 06:02 PM:

So I was wondering all of you owners of these marvellous beasties why you love them so.
What is it about them that tickles you so and why has it got to be one of those.
Best Mark.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 02, 2004, 03:58 AM:

Best Super 8 projector ever produced. 'Nuff said.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 02, 2004, 12:20 PM:

There are many reasons that the GS1200 is head and shoulders above all the other Super 8 projectors. First, it is a really beautiful machine to look at, the quality of the design, finish, and engineering is superb. No flimsy plastic parts on this machine, the GS uses lots of metal, being built like a 16mm projector, and is designed to last a very long time. The 200watt lamp provides a brilliant screen image, particularly when used with the f1.0 lens and fitted with a 2 blade shutter. Stereo sound quality is excellent, though not, in my opinion, quite up to the superb sound quality of the Eumig 926/938/940 stereo projectors. The piano controls, the four motors, the ease of threading, the accessability of the gate and sound head for cleaning, these are the features that set the GS apart.
There may be some projectors out there that are perhaps better than the GS in some particular areas, but I don't think any projector has it all together like this one. Once you have a GS, everything else is second best.

Posted by Ronnie Coeuhant (Member # 143) on March 02, 2004, 03:43 PM:

I will be very interested to hear from Ugo. Ugo got the Fumeo 9119, several GS-1200, and a Bealieu 708EL.

I can see he's leaning towards GS-1200 because that is why he got tons of them (or was it because you got them so cheap?).

Ugo?

Posted by Colin Preston (Member # 68) on March 02, 2004, 06:28 PM:

I'll go along with everything Paul says. Plus for me you also get a sense that your film is being well looked after whilst passing through.

Unlike my first ever projector back in '83. Cinerex... [Eek!]

need I say more.
Col

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 03, 2004, 03:36 AM:

And as for the xenon version [Wink]

Kev

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 03, 2004, 05:35 AM:

Nah, steer clear of the Xenon version Kev, bloody waste of money. [Razz]

Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on March 03, 2004, 09:09 AM:

I have just got my first GS1200, thanks to Mr Elmo, [Smile]

though i think it should be Sir Elmo, and all i can say about the GS1200 is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Eek!]

It should be in a glass case, so i can just look at it, because not only is it the business in projecting films, it is a piece of art to look at. When you consider that these machines where first available in the late 70s you can't help but admire the Japanese, they must have looked like something from NASA when they first came out, when you think of all the junky electronics of the day, these machines could well hold up being produced today without any modifications, well, just the ones Kev would make.

Chris. [Smile]

Posted by Sonny Young (Member # 124) on March 03, 2004, 09:19 AM:

Though I was tempted to buy an Elmo GS, I couldn't see the benefit aside from the stereo sound. Since all of my movies are mono, I nixed the idea and stuck with my standard Elmo projectors.

Still, I'm curious about the GS machines. What are the 4 motors for? The fact that there are more motors, doesn't it make them prone to breakdown? What component is prone to breakdown?

Thanks!

Posted by Erkki Tikkanen (Member # 156) on March 03, 2004, 01:55 PM:

There are Rolls Royces and there are Trabantzs. Elmo just rocks and other only rolls.

Seriously, Elmo is the best there ever was.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 04, 2004, 02:08 AM:

Sonny, you'll find the original sales brochure for the GS1200 on our web site. Projectors are linked from the home page. www.bfcc.biz

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 04, 2004, 06:30 AM:

John, The xenon's a great machine and I cant wait to see it with the 2 blade shutter installed. Money well spent me thinks. [Razz]

Kev

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 04, 2004, 11:55 AM:

I think that the GS1200 is the worst machine available.

That got your attention! Well, I mean, it is far to heavy to take with you to work, to the pictures, days out with the kids etc.

You are forced to wear sunglasses because of the brilliant white light from the ever so bright bulb.

You risk injury from your tie (we always dress to project) getting wrapped around one of those beasts of motors driving that 1200ft spool.

Importing them from around the world, wondering if it will get to the UK in one piece or finding that "one careful owner" model at a dealers stall at the BFCC for a bargain £1200 ($1600).

Hours can be lost
a)lovingly cleaning nooks and crannies with Derann Film Cleaner on the end of a cotton bud (care it don't warp your guides though!)
b)replacing micro switches can also be a joy for those that have never tried it before.
c)seeking that elusive spare part

Ahh, yes, the GS 1200.

Give me my Boots 500 special series anytime.

So then Mr Todd- You gonna get one now???????

Tony

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 05, 2004, 07:41 AM:

Well Tony if I get offered one for £500 and can stretch the overdraft a bit further yes I would love one.
I think a HD is more in my line really.
I`ve sat and watched a film on a GS and spent most of the time watching the machine longingly.
Do you want to flog me your HD then Tony. That would give you a bit of space back.
Best Mark.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 05, 2004, 09:31 AM:

Mark, My ST1200HD is a real cracker now it's been serviced and had some parts replaced. [Wink]

But then the GSxenon is even better. Will I ever use this ST I wonder?

Kev [Wink]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 05, 2004, 01:11 PM:

Have to agree with Tony Milman on this one.

I know it wont happen again!!

While the Elmo GS 1200 is a great machine it is a
tempermental beastie.

Point 1 Reliability

I have never known an owner of a Elmo GS 1200 yet!!, who when you ask about their projectors don't have their machines away getting serviced or have some sort of fault. This is not an isolated case it is every collector I have ever come into contact with that had one of them.

You hear them rave about the bloody things when they buy them
and within months if not weeks they have some kind of fault
and some of them were bought new.

Point 2 Value for Money

To spend that kind of money on a second hand machine is TOTAL MADNESS. Then collecting super 8 is not for the sane anyway.

Point 3 Sound Problems

Another disappointment is the Elmo GS 1200 in common with Sankyo 800s and Elmo 800s will quickly identify any sound deficiencies in the quality of your super 8 releases.

Point 4 Death & Other Injuries

Try carrying one the things for a while and if you are lucky that pain in your chest is a hernia not an impending heart attack! Honestly they are heavy!! and cost a fortune to ship
for those service checks.

Point 5 Other Alternatives

If you want to buy a machine that will last buy a

smaller Elmo like a

Elmo 800,Elmo 180 or 160

a Sankyo 800 is a worthwhile choice if you can get one in good nick

Bell & Howell DCR, DCM or DCT projectors. They might not be as fancy but they will last.

You could buy five smaller machines for the price you would pay for one of those one careful owner Elmos GS1200s.

Thats a lot of film to run before they clap out and loads of spares!!!

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on March 05, 2004, 01:47 PM:

I have owned many projectors and I have to say that you must own one for a little bit to really understand.
My first Elmo GS was a halogen model and after a year or so (in 1984)the left channel cut out. Elmo repaired the unit under warranty and I really didn't have any problems with that unit after that. It picked up a little hum and I was told by the East Coast Elmo Tech (Mr. Norris himself) that I just needed to move some wires away from the sound knobs. Voila! Problem solved!
The GS Xenon playback model was perfect up until the day I sold it! The Record model had a problem with the take up reel solenoid. But considering the machine is around 20 years old, that is incredible performance and longevity!
I bought an Elmo ST1200HD and it was good but not great. The Bauer T610 was super silent, but just not great. After owning both of these models I longed for the picture and controls and visual beauty of the GS. When I got another one I realized that I may always be a GS1200 fan. I still think its their best machine. In Xenon and Halogen.

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on March 05, 2004, 02:46 PM:

There are a lot of wrong things in the posts of Tony and Mike

Tony: "You are forced to wear sunglasses because of the brilliant white light from the ever so bright bulb."

What does it means? Now is it a defect to give a lot of light? Oh Oh.. but I use my GS to project on two metres screen... and believe to me... that's great! And if want to project into a real cinema, I use my HTI high power GS. I did it and for me that day was like a dream. My Gs in the projection booth and my friends in the hall to see himself, like 35mm actors, during our holiday in Turkey!

Mike: "Try carrying one the things for a while and if you are lucky that pain in your chest is a hernia not an impending heart attack!"
Mike, if you want a realy sharpness image, the projector has to be heavy! I spoke with one of the Fumeo engineers; he explained to me during run's projector there are high frequency vibrations which compromise the good quality of the image. To hinder these micro-vibrations it's necessary to have many many iron into the projector!

Right: the GS needs a check when you get it, but after these regulations it runs like a watch!
The Elmo GS1200 is like a Ferrari: it's necessary to check it frequently!

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 05, 2004, 03:35 PM:

I think on balance I`m with Mike on this one as perpetually skint etc, but as I`ve never owned done,!!!
Its probably living out in the sticks and being miles away ftrom a FIXER and not being that handy myself.
I`ve had a few elmo 600`s over the years and although I`ve had odd faults I never had one that wouldn`t project and put out decent enough sound.
The GS`s do sound lovely, just a shame they are`nt about in more serious numbers so we could all afford one and a second for spares.
I did hear of a chap who got two in london for £60 each not sure if they were the halogen or Xenon, possibly the later.

Best Mark.

PS kev I`d be begging you to sell me that 1200 back if it had optical sound now its ticketty boo.

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 05, 2004, 04:25 PM:

Hi Everyone

I love you all and I dont want to piss on anyone's parade.

The Elmo GS 1200 is a great machine and if you are planning
to project in a school hall or the BFCC it is the ideal projector.

Light Output

However most collectors don't project in large auditoriums one collector who had three Elmo GS 1200 projectors showed his films were!! The back of a door or on the fridge and he had a massive
collection. Explain to me what was the point!!

Most home cinemas and living rooms can cope with 100 or 150 watts. Another home cinema enthusiast had major problems with the light output on his GS 1200 because it was too bright even on the lowest setting. And by the way despite being mint it didnt stop it breaking down halfway through Star Wars.

Something I have never achieved in a public show without GSs

Sharpness

Image sharpness depends on the print. The lens helps, the light helps but mainly the print decides. I have yet to see a soft print turned sharp with a Elmo GS 1200.

Sound

Super 8 prints have surpassed all expectations of what we got prior to video. Sound, however is a different matter. Quality is
to say the least hit and miss even with the latest releases.

Why do you think so many collectors take their sound source from DVD?

A projector like a Elmo ST1200 or Sankyo 800 will find any weaknesses or failings and if you are not talking full features
how are you cover the shortcomings.

Value for Money

When the Elmo GS1200 came out new it was worth it price.

20 years down the road no sorry I cant say it is worth it.

My last horror story is a collector who sold up his collection
for DVD. He had two top of the range Fumeos and a Elmo GS 1200
plus a collection of films.

He got £600.00 for his projectors not each. Together

If you don't believe me phone a dealer for a quote on selling a Elmo GS 1200 I would be surprised if you get more than £500.00
and you will have to pay shipping out of it.

So in conclusion folks

I don't think most collectors need what it offers.

I don't think it is worth the price being asked for it.

and

I don't think it has a track record for long term reliability
without a lot of attention and money.

Ferrari no try Concorde

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 05, 2004, 04:40 PM:

Ugo

Us Brits have an odd sense of Humour! (and the Irish aren't far behind!)

Tony [Wink]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 05, 2004, 04:57 PM:

Hi Tony

Northern Irish with a touch of Scottish and a drop of French.

Sounds like whiskey and cognac.

The other lot down South live in The Quiet Man country.

Thatched cottages,talk funny so relaxed you think they are on drugs etc.

Want to sell me back Stagecoach yet!!
[Frown]

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 05, 2004, 05:19 PM:

Hey Hey steady Rosie, watch what you are about, theres many a film bod more in love with his GS than his wife you know!!!!
Best Mark.
PS has anyone got a nice affordable super 8 machine with optical they fancy selling me in the Uk or thereabouts.

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on March 05, 2004, 05:33 PM:

Hi Tony,
the italians too! "what does it means?" was not about the humoristic phrase, but about the problem you was talking.
Anyway, folks.. REALLY this forum is great and I love you!
During my last passional discussion on an italian forum the blood was pouring down the screen of my PC!
Here is better! [Wink]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 05, 2004, 06:08 PM:

Hi Mark

They are old, tempermental and can give outstanding performances
at night

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 05, 2004, 07:16 PM:

If Only !!!!!!!!!!

Mind you the temperamental bit is right.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on March 06, 2004, 02:35 AM:

Whos going to leave me one in their will? [Wink]

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 06, 2004, 05:17 AM:

What a load of crap. It all sounds like a load of Jealousy to me.
The GS once serviced goes on for years. People run these machines and some never even clean them! and expect them to go on running. Yes if the manufacturers of films got the sound right then the GS1200's etc wouldnt have bad sound to show up in the first place. How about doing your own recording on a good Elmo and then see how it performs or maybe you guys just like the crap sound off your "Boots" specials or "Gioca Royals"

"If you don't believe me phone a dealer for a quote on selling a Elmo GS 1200 I would be surprised if you get more than £500.00
and you will have to pay shipping out of it."

Yes and then the dealers sell them for £1200 because they know a good thing or two when they see it.

No Mark I was joking about selling my ST1200 HD its superb and I'm hanging onto it. But yes I may be selling 3rd GS which works superbly and will probably go on working well for many years to come.

For goodness sake you guys if you want a crap image with sound to go with it then carry on buying cheap machines off ebay. Oh and BTW if you want a good quality scope image then dont forget to buy a cheap 16mm scope lens complete with bloom and bracket to fit your 50watt "Gioca's"

Kev. [Big Grin]

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on March 06, 2004, 09:28 AM:

Wow! Were as bad as car enthusiasts here! [Smile]

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 06, 2004, 12:19 PM:

The GS1200 is, without question, the finest projector I have ever owned, if there's a better one out there I have not seen it. At the same time I think it is probably true that the GS, like a highly tuned sports car, expects plenty of attention, and is unforgiving of lack of regular maintainance. This is because it is a very complex projector, with all electronic controls, operating through micro-switches relays and solenoids. So it is essential to keep the internal mechanism of the machine spotlessly clean and correctly lubricated to avoid trouble. Routine internal maintance for me (about every 6 months)includes cleaning and lubrication of the claw mechanism, cleaning the solenoids, lubrication of the auto thread release mechanism, spraying the switch contacts with an electrical contact cleaner, and wiping the drive belt with alcohol to remove grease. On the film side, I clean the gate , rollers, sprockets, film channel, and sound head before every film session. I also clean the sound head capstan and roller with alcohol. I think it is also very important to keep your films clean and lubricated to help reduce dust contamination in the gate, and wear on the sound head. I have no complaints at all about having to do all this, to me it's part of the fun of film collecting, and I know that by doing so it will greatly extend the life of my projector and films.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 08, 2004, 02:35 AM:

Damn, I didn't realize these GS1200's were unreliable.

I didn't know they were so worthless.

But I love the comparison with Concorde, the greatest plane ever to take to the air and very reliable in British livery despite being the pinnacle of everyday man's achievement.

Now why is it that I run Super 8 film just about every day and I have so few breakdowns.

Posted by Barry Johnson (Member # 84) on March 08, 2004, 12:49 PM:

Oh! Bloody Hell!! I'm going to say: "Lets hear it for the ST1200HD"
No frills no bullshit,it shows bloody good pictures and so what,it 'aint stereo!!!!!!

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 08, 2004, 01:16 PM:

Barry,

Yep, I love my ST1200HD and will never part with it (Unless some mad bloke on ebay was to pay me £900).

But then I like all of my projector family too

Tony

Posted by Barry Johnson (Member # 84) on March 08, 2004, 01:27 PM:

Love all mine too Tony but my problem is which do I use and at the same time trying not to show any form of favouriteism!!

Posted by Trevor Adams (Member # 42) on March 08, 2004, 01:39 PM:

Here in NZ,I got the equivalent of 150 pounds for my minty GS1200 and straight traded my second one for a GS800(worth around 100 pounds). The most convenient projector I've owned was a Bauer T610.Great sound,sharp as a tack picture and quiet as a mouse running.A real "lounge" projector.Easy to set up and put away. If I had a proper theatre I'd opt for big GS's though. I use ST1200s ever now and then but they are noisy machines.Great to have options eh?

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 08, 2004, 03:29 PM:

So many words so little time.

The main points of the discussion are this.

The last Elmo GS1200 projector was built NEW over 20 years ago. It is based on technology that is over 30 years old.

Like all super 8 projectors it was built for film makers not film collectors. Nobody in Elmo, Sankyo, Bell & Howell or anywhere else ever thought anybody would project the
amount of film we project through their projectors.

That's why the plastic parts and everything else wear out.

The Elmo GS may have a bigger light, better sound, bigger reel capacity more hernia power but in most circumstances most collectors can live without it.

There are proberably Elmo GS Projectors out there that are immaculate. God bless the owners who ever they are but the odds of some poor punter actually buying a machine like that is NIL.

He will be offered some machine that is faulty, scratches films or the motor, sound head or something else is about to pack in.

If I could buy a new machine of the quality of a Elmo I would.

I will not pay £1200.00 for a 20 year old second hand machine and don't anybody refer me to that Frankenstein abortion that was served up as a new machine.

It looked like road kill gone wrong!!

By the way Trev the Bauer 610 is a lovely machine.

Concorde good technology for it day but had to be done away with as the cost of keeping it going proved to costly.

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 08, 2004, 04:54 PM:

Even Concorde crashed!

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 08, 2004, 05:18 PM:

I was going to mention that but it was below the belt.

The Phantom Piddler Rides Again

[ March 09, 2004, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: Mike Newell ]

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on March 08, 2004, 05:19 PM:

quote:
The last Elmo GS1200 projector was built NEW over 20 years ago. It is based on technology that is over 30 years old.

This "old" technologies is able to dialogue with a CD or DVD player!

quote:
If I could buy a new machine of the quality of a Elmo I would.

No, probably you would not buy an hypothetical new Elmo GS1200.
You would have to pay than over 12.000 sterling pounds!

quote:
He will be offered some machine that is faulty, scratches films or the motor, sound head or something else is about to pack in.

The GS1200 needs some little works to avoid scratches also when it's totally new

quote:
I will not pay £1200.00 for a 20 year old second hand machine and don't anybody refer me to that Frankenstein abortion that was served up as a new machine.

Are you talking about someone?

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 08, 2004, 05:26 PM:

http://valueservices.org/classichomecinema/pages/equipment.shtml

As designed by Stevie Wonder / Skoda sorry Lada

Brand new Super 8 projector

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 08, 2004, 05:28 PM:

Whos a naughty boy then !!!!!

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 08, 2004, 05:32 PM:

I didn't see all the other questions Ugo

I give up. It's like inviting Jehovah Witnesses
in for tea.

Hi Mark That's a 50 pence you owe me when then thread gets to 50 posts.

Thats you in the poo too.

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on March 08, 2004, 05:37 PM:

For the replay.. tomorrow morning! Now it's late.
anyway: "As designed by Stevie Wonder"
It's too much for me..... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....
good night folks

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 08, 2004, 05:40 PM:

Steady down a bit Mike I can`t keep up with you, Puff , wheeze, gasp.
I just had a knock at the door and there was a Busty Blond stood there saying she had got seperated from the lusty nympho`s bus trip night out and could I put her up for the night.
well I looked at her stood there in her low cut dress and just had to say " Sorry Love but I`m busy trying to catch up with Mikes posts on the Forum", "try next door."

See the sacrifices I have to make to help keep this forum active and ongoing.
best Mark.

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 08, 2004, 05:44 PM:

Send her round!!!

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 08, 2004, 05:57 PM:

Send her round.
I live on the Nortn East coast near whitby, England, you live in that place smewhere over the sea`s.
It could be a while but i`ll see if shes still about.

Back to the world of dreams.

Saying that I did once get a female late night visitor at my door in 86. I was young free and sort of single.
But she was a bitch. I put here up for the night but chucked her out in the morning as she pee`d in my hallway.

Last time I put a stay dog up for the night.
Best Mark.
True story by the way.

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 08, 2004, 07:13 PM:

Mark & Mike,

I once took in a stray Jehovah's Witness who peed in the hallway...........

Doug

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on March 08, 2004, 08:19 PM:

I have to admit that I hate the look of the Fumeo Revised projector....it really does look like a biscuit tin! [Frown]

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 09, 2004, 02:53 AM:

The Fumeo prototype is probably the most robust Super 8 projector I've ever used. Now that was one that was built to last.

Would have been a wonderful performer if ever made it into production.

The Chinon SS-1200 is a good machine and I always prevented scratching by coating the plastic parts with lashings of waxy Thermofilm. No damage other than the odd scratch ever occurred and I wore my machine into the ground over a period of about 8 years from new.

Incidentally guys, the French Concorde crashed because a spacer was left off the wheels meaning that when the tyres burst there was no direction, therefore not enough speed. Spare parts only became too expensive because Airbus stuck the prices up. Can't blame the French for wanting to kill it though, unlike British Airways they couldn't make it pay.

In the October BFCC you should find a programme dedicated to this wonderful aircraft. It will be one year exactly after the last Concorde flight.

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 09, 2004, 01:07 PM:

In the begining it was the Elmo and in the End it all finished with Jehovah Witnesses and Dogs peeing in various houses throughout the world, waxy Chinons,obsolete planes, hernia driven collectors and an advert for BFCC.

I didn't even mention Betty. Can the Elmo make her look beautiful and make her voice sound like a Angel?

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on March 09, 2004, 01:47 PM:

ehemm.... Tony was you talking about...?? [Big Grin]

[ March 09, 2004, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: Ugo Grassi ]

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 09, 2004, 04:14 PM:

Brad, please spare us all before Newell mentions that filum again that goes by the name of The Reos, sorry the Roes,,no its the Sore, or the Orse...just can't bring myself to say Rose

Close down this winding thread!

Tony

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 09, 2004, 05:27 PM:

I just wanted to know whether a Elmo GS 1200 could make an old bat like Bette Midler look and sound like Kylie Minogue.

Mind you I think John Clancy may have you use a bucket load of wax on his lens for that.

I didn't mention The ****. I usual don't it is Anthony who brings it up.

By the way why dont Derann bring out the undie ad of Kylie on 8.

Its worth watching repeatable and wouldnt break the bank.

I would buy two copies.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 10, 2004, 02:14 AM:

So to conclude the thread, the GS-1200 is the best Super 8 projector ever produced.

Glad we got there in the end.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 10, 2004, 04:49 AM:

I think that depends on what you base your criteria John.
Outright reliability might not pan out and also say a bauer is lovely and quiet, it all depends what floats your boat really.
I met a chap with 4 all on the blink in one way or another,
They undoubtably are a fine machine but what tit decided to keep fitting them with at least 4 plastic parts that wear and scratch one after the other over time some fairly quickly.

Mike can you check your wizards.
best Mark.

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 10, 2004, 01:45 PM:

I'll hold your coat Mark.

Whether the Elmo GS1200 is the best projector ever produced is
a personal choice for each collector to decide.

Whether this particular projector at over 20 years old and at least secondhand to buy represents true value for money is a point of conjecture and as the old adage goes:-

Pay your money take your chance except in the case of the GS it is a lot more money.

Here we go again [Roll Eyes]

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 11, 2004, 03:02 AM:

Reliability certainly is an issue. If the GS kept breaking down I wouldn't put up with them. However, given there is no other machine like it I'd be faced with giving up the hobby. I don't think I could step down to a lesser machine having worked up to the top.

Mine rarely put the slightest mark on a print despite the plastic parts.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 11, 2004, 04:07 AM:

They certainly do, do a fantastic job with the picture.
I remember putting a print through a 600 foot elmo 100 watt, 1.3 etc and then putting it through a fumeo and I couldn`t believe it. It was like looking at a totally different film.
Just amazing how different a print can look on a top machine.
Now how a print must look on a GS Xenon with a two blade shutter must be someting else but if I paid more than say £400 for a projector I`d be soon taking a trip to single city thats for sure.
Though I must be honest I was tempted by the nice and affordable Fumeo Xenon at classic this week but as only after a machine for optical I think that was gong a bit far for my needs.
Very tempting though in a credit card sort of way.
Best Mark.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on March 11, 2004, 11:25 AM:

Fumeo Xenon at Classic? Please...tell all! Is it still available? I am very interested in this machine! [Smile]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 11, 2004, 12:52 PM:

No doubt you are very skilled at fixing, replacing and repairing
parts as required but there does come a time when reality has to kick in. We are not all professional projectionists or have a mechanical/electrical engineering background.

[Confused]

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 11, 2004, 01:06 PM:

Hi Alan as of today it was sounds very good for the dosh, spare lamp too. Maybe they can send you some pics.
Best Mark.

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 11, 2004, 01:57 PM:

ZZZZZZZzzzzzz
ZZZZZZzzzzzz
ZZZZZZZzzzzzz
ZZZZZZzzzzz [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on March 11, 2004, 02:27 PM:

I say lets all buy ST1200HD'S, [Wink]

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on March 11, 2004, 03:05 PM:

Sorry, haven't been able to post to this thread yet, all my times' been taken up fixing the GS 1200. In fact haven't got time to write any more, I think it'll be due for fixing again right about now!

Bye [Wink]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 11, 2004, 03:43 PM:

Soon going to be 100 Mark and you will be an expert [Cool]

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 11, 2004, 04:19 PM:

I`ll be a what, an expert, well isn`t that nice.
Maybe a bit too pretentious for me.
How about a moderate enthusiast instead.
Best Mark.
Oh and a Hunky Studmuffin as well. ( I wish )

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 11, 2004, 04:24 PM:

Tonight could be the night!!

I hear a bell ringing Clarence.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 11, 2004, 04:31 PM:

I need guidance on this one MIke.
best Mark.

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 11, 2004, 04:38 PM:

It a Wonderful Life Jimmy Stewart etc the angel called Clarence gets his wings. Every time an angel gets his waings a bell rings.

Ive only watched the film twice bored me to tears.

I just kept wishing old Jimmy would get out of Bedford Falls.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 11, 2004, 06:04 PM:

Ah, the only clarence I could think of was that thing with Ronnie Barker, well at least I think it was clarence, pretty good if I remember rightly.
And yes my 100 bell has rung so I`ve reached a sort of whittering standard.
Looks like that Milman chap has been dozing off again. Wake up Tony and sing us a song.
best Mark.
Ps just had an email of someone who is buying a GS for £375 with extras,now thats what I like to hear a sensible price.
It has got a fault mind !!!!!

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 11, 2004, 06:14 PM:

Buy it quick its a reel bargain.

Make the cheque out to me

Thanks

Mike

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 16, 2004, 05:27 PM:

Its the Mike and Mark GS show!!! Yes I have to say that its a shame about the little green parts on the GS designed by those "Tits" in Japan which just happen to be the same as on the ST 600, 180 etc, see where I'm coming from Oh Wise man Toddy of the North! [Wink]

Kev

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 16, 2004, 05:37 PM:

I asked Ian did he have any projectors today.

Only bloody GS 1200's. He offered to file the numbers off for me
so I wouldnt notice but I bet he would post here [Roll Eyes]

I think they were £50.00 each something called a xenon mean't nothing to a peasant like me!!

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 16, 2004, 05:42 PM:

Kev have you seen a chinon 9500, I need some advice on this matter.
best Mark.
PS I`ll ring Ian in the morning and offer £55 see if that swings it.

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 16, 2004, 05:44 PM:

He back from his hols so he needs the money.

Do give generously.

Did Kylie come out okay?

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on March 16, 2004, 05:54 PM:

Thanks, but no, help!!!!!!

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on March 16, 2004, 06:06 PM:

You could always wait until this thread hits 100 posts print it off put a flash cover on with a nice mint GS 1200 and sell it the conventions for a £5.00 a touch. With at title like Why a GS1200 it will sell.

I see Martians Land in Rosies Toilet as an excellent film name.

It could be outlined as a musical comedy with Dennis Potter numbers a few Busby Berkley routines. Loads of explosions and special effects with bucket loads of sex and violence and a happy ending. Some smuck at Disney or Miramax will buy into
it no bother. As long as we get a £1000,000 advance each,a screenwriting Academy Award and a Star on the Walk of Fame.

Then we could start our project of building a brand new Elmo GS1400. A much superior super 8 projector for superior collectors only!!

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