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Dick Lee
Film Handler

Posts: 40
From: Oklahoma City
Registered: Apr 2004

posted May 27, 2004 07:49 AM

Hello to everyone:

Myself and a friend are working on a stand alone reel feed and take up. I would like to bulld it large enough to take the Largest Available Super 8 reels. I have found a source for 1600'reels, but in reading about the new Fumeo, I understand it has a capacity of @ 2500'. Are these reels readily available?
If not, what is and where do you get them?

Mentioning the Fumeo, have they ever produced the one that you see on the BFCC web page?

Thanks for the help,
Dick

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Fabrizio Mosca
Master Film Handler

Posts: 346
From: Milano, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004

posted May 27, 2004 10:39 AM

Hi,
in Italy you may find used 2500' reels, but I've heard that Fumeo (now WBS, via Teocrito, Milan) still has these reels new. I don't know how much they are, but I think at about 50 euro each.
As far as I know, that model has not been produced but rarely you may find it on ebay

hope to have been useful
Fabrizio

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John Clancy
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1954
From: Cornwall
Registered: Jun 2003

posted May 28, 2004 02:01 AM

Sorry, the new Fumeo hasn't been produced. There just hasn't been enough of a response. A terrible shame as it was probably the best Super 8 projector ever produced - certainly the most robust.

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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted May 28, 2004 09:28 PM

Hi John,
How many responses were needed to produce the Fumeo with
the large reels?

I wish there was a machine that would project Standard 8mm sound,
for full length feature programs. I have a few features that have
deep theatrical density, that rival 16mm.

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Fabrizio Mosca
Master Film Handler

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From: Milano, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004

posted May 29, 2004 12:26 AM

Hi Michael,
That machine exist, to tell yuou the truth there are two machines that have that characteristic. They are Fumeo 8m and Microtecnica OemmeO. They were produced in limited quantity on request of italian San Paolo Film (SPF). Basic model has 750mt reel and optical sound (yes, optical sound!) as to read what in Italy was called 8mauer, a cinemascope optical std 8mm that has a smaller perforation as to permit the use of optical (there are only 40 titles printed in 8mauer). Other characteristics are 200 (Fumeo) and 250(Microtecnica) watt lamp, possibility to have magnetic sound. Both of them may use either std8 or 8mauer

You may have a look at theme here:
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/roberto967/images/ALCUNI-MODELLI-PAG1

nice, aren't they?

kind regards to all
Fabrizio

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John Whittle
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Northridge, CA USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted May 29, 2004 09:18 AM

Dick,

It would seem the best solution would be to make your own reels. Since you're building your own long play device you could easily take 16mm 2300 foot reels, take them apart and put in a new core which was 8mm. Since you're making the feed and take up device you could use the existing 16mm reel shafts. That would also make it easier to build up your reels using commong 16mm rewinds.

I think that if you find some old 10 1/2 magnetic tape 1/4 inch reels you can take them apart and use the hubs with a small spacer in your rebuilt 16mm reels. Aside from your time, it's going to be much more economical than trying to import them from europe.

John

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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted May 31, 2004 12:35 AM

Fabrizio,

Are the Fumeo 8M and Microtechnique Oemmeo projectors reliable?
The pictures are very nice.
How much would these projectors cost today?
Can the film be removed from the projector, if you wish to interrupt a film program?

Are they dual 8mm projectors, (Standard 8mm and Super mm) or do they run Standard 8mm only?

Kind regards,
(Ciao)

Michael

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Fabrizio Mosca
Master Film Handler

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From: Milano, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004

posted May 31, 2004 02:26 AM

Michael, both of them are only std 8 and they were built on 16mm projectors basis. Fumeo 8m is the clone of Fumeo Aula Super (16mm) while the OemmeO is equal to the Micron 25super (also 16mm)
Between them, Fumeo is the best one, both of them have manual loading and you can remove the film easily. I don't know much about the lens, but I think is a xenovar 1.3 16-30mm.
Optical models should cost almost 200-400, while optical/magnetical cost much more (no more than 600 I think).

Ciao
Fabrizio

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Michael De Angelis
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From: USA
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posted May 31, 2004 11:19 AM

Fabrizio,

Thank you for your response, I appreciate your help.
I understand that the Fumeo 8m was strictly optical and not magnetic, and the OemmeO was both optical and magnetic;
Is that correct?

Do you know if these machines also had a variable speed control?

Also, I was wondering if these machines will need an electrical conversion to operate properly here in the USA?

Ciao,

Michael

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Fabrizio Mosca
Master Film Handler

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From: Milano, Italy
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posted May 31, 2004 02:49 PM

No Michael, both of them were build in the optical version and in the optical/magnetic version, according to the needs. Unfortunately I don't know if they may work at 60 cycles, but I can assure you that they don't have variable speed but only 18fps and 24 fps.
I suppose that the electrical conversion should be quite easy to carry on, but I'm not a technician so I may be wrong.

ciao
Fabrizio

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John Clancy
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1954
From: Cornwall
Registered: Jun 2003

posted June 01, 2004 02:15 AM

Michael, I don't know how many responses were required to make it worth the risk putting the Fumeo into production. I believe it was 200.

The Beaulieu also took the long play reels and as far as I know only went out of production a few years ago. Of course, it was very expensive - over £4,000 the last time I enquired.

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Michael De Angelis
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From: USA
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posted June 01, 2004 05:46 PM

Hello John Clancy,
Thank you for your reply. Indeed it is too bad, that the Fumeo to be produced by CHC did not work out in favor of collectors that wish to have a new machine on hand.

I have a second edition Elmo GS 1200, and believe that if there comes a day, when I need to replace old circuits inorder to keep it humming; may ultimately lead to a chain reaction with older circuits sizzling out against new components on the numerous circuit boards that this machine requires.

In reading about the CHC machine in FFTC, I was braving to place an order.
Especially due to the fact that a Dual format machine for STD 8 and Super 8, would have made a wonderful long play unit with an incredible light output
along with a fantastic lens.

Why the public did not realize that the lens alone was worth the cost of admission, is a puzzlement to me?

I guess Phil Sheard is the only person with a working prototype?

Best,
Michael

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John Clancy
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From: Cornwall
Registered: Jun 2003

posted June 02, 2004 02:28 AM

As far as I know the prototype did have all the minor faults pointed out by Keith Wilton in his revew sorted back at the Italian factory and it is now back with Phil.

Perhaps if you are interested in the machine you should give him a call. He may have it and be up for selling it.

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Brad Miller
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From: Dallas, TX, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted June 02, 2004 07:56 PM

We used to take plastic clip together 35mm shipping reels (2000 footers), remove the core and snip off the coupling pieces. Then we cut down a trailer core and sandwiched it as a spacer to provide about 9-10mm of seperation between the reel flanges and glued the two pieces together. Voila, a nice reliable 2000' 8mm reel.

These reels are damn near throwaway items. If someone in the US wants to play with a few, I'll send you some for the cost of shipping and you can make your own. It takes about 10-15 minutes per reel to make them.

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