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Topic: BFCC, Someone getting the goodies?
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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted July 23, 2004 11:45 AM
I'm hoping i am wrong on this but, as i understand it a VERY reliable source has informed me that Dealers who visit this and other conventions,who don't actually have stalls, are being allowd in BEFORE opening time and are allowed to make purcahses of many good films from many dealers therefore denying the paying punters.Us. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
I must say with a 4 hour car trip each way, (and an 8hour plus flight for some) this really is a little bit of a kick in our teeth. I'm not saying this stops us getting bargins but clearly other dealers (not selling) in question are obviously getting the cream. Why is this allowed to happen? ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Everyone should wait outside until the opening time.
Apart from that that the dealers who are selling are either, "not bothered because cash crosses hands" or
" maybe looking after there own". Call this controversal but i call it unfair to the collectors who make the journey, maybe we should just stick to the sales lists and have our own film get together.
Your views please and any dealers who read this your response would be appreciated.
Ive said this before and i'll say it again, "All main super 8 dealers should attend this where possible and keep us,the customers,happy. The more stands, the longer people will stay and keep the DVD element down. One day when 8mm is in its closing days events like this will be appreciated by ALL dealers.
Anyway, that said i think this sucks and is not on.
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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1261
From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted July 23, 2004 10:29 PM
I sympathize with this frustration. It seems to be common with all types of trade show programs. I live here in the USA and have experienced the same
frustration.
The 'Syracuse' Cinefest Dealers room,(which is held in Syracuse, NY during the first week in March, is similar to what you are experiencing over at the BFCC.
Dealers sell to dealers; or dealers have first crack at the cream, which is unfair.
The film programs held over four days are wonderful.
Although their are about two dealers that have recognized my particular interests, and have always try to sell to me before selling to alternate dealers.
I guess that some dealers always feel the need to make their money back early on the tables that they lease, and perhaps that is why they cave into the dealers first?
I find this very cold.
Aside from collecting film, I also love Lionel Electric Toy Trains. The earlier prewar and especially postwar items are the most popular, and have been the benchmark in the hobby.
Within this, there are many local and national shows that will permit the public to enter and browse as the dealers are setting up at an earlybird entrance fee.
This entitles collectors to a head start, before dealers peruse the rare and exceptional collectibles.
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Isn't it great that we can all communicate about this great
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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted July 24, 2004 06:02 AM
Colin, i do agree with you on the e mail side, im sure the boys at Derann do there best, besides, if we have pc's we should use them to our advantage as does buisness. Back to my main point, not heard back from any dealers on this one, and to add salt into the rooms, keep your eyes peeled at the next Blackpool and BFCC and you'll even see some dealers helping the un-named Gent/Gents carry the films to his/There cars because there are so many they need help. Cynical/sarcastic? yes and without apology,
Right you dealers, how about letting us all in early to browse and not buy? Beeter still, let EVERYONE wait outside, line up and once the entrance fee is paid let it be one faor and all for one. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted July 25, 2004 12:46 PM
I see what your saying there, but this appears to be different. This is dealers who dont actually have stall anymore who are allowed in BEFORE opening time and, with the blessing of the attending dealers, are allowing tp buy up some of the cream of the films to be sold to them. While is happening we are queing up outside while they slip out the side door to put the goodies into there cars,(with help)
I have absolutly no problem with these people buying, but im saying that NO ONE should be allowd in before time to make purchases, if thats the case then drop the entrance fee altegether for everyone, or alternativly, simply do what the boot sale i attend in Plymouth does, anyone seen selling before the official 8am start is asked to pack up there stall and leave, and its done under the supervision of one of the official organisers and bloody good thing to, it stops the scavenging that use to go on, even the public are kept out allowing us to set up un-hindered.Still not had any dealers on about this yet,
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Ian John
Junior
Posts: 20
From: United Kingdom
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 26, 2004 07:57 PM
I went to a one day convention this year, and befor I went, the litriture advertising the convention said: If you plan to attend the convention, you are NOT allowed to sell films/equipment from the boot of your car in the car park, and anyone found doing this will be barred from attending future conventions.
In my mind, this is a load of bull. When I spend the day travelling up to a convention and meet with other film collectors in the hobby who also park in the carpark, if they or myself have a few films we can sell/swap each other, and have a yap about interest etc, where's the problem ?
When organisers book out a room at a venue, they pay for the hire of that room, and at £40 each or more charged to the dealers for their tables, that more than covers the room rental, but they are not charged for the carpark outside the venue which is there for the use of members of the public who attend any function going on at the venue, even people who work for the hotel/venue as staff use the same carpark.
The leaflet I read prior to the one day convention I attended went on to say: Dealers have to pay for selling there films on a reconised table.
What are some of these organisers frightened of ? After all, they are their to make money, it's a buisness, otherwise they would'nt be there.
If a few lads sell each other a couple of films in the carpark from their car, while they are chatting, that's nothing to do with the organisers of the convention, its none of their business, they don't own or rent the carpark, I think they are just playing Big Brother, and just becuase I bought or sold a film in the carpark it don't mean I'm not going to send money in the dealers room, or the dealers are going to loose money becuase someone bought or sold a film in the carpark, they need to get a life and grow up.
Prehaps some of us collectors need to hold a Film Carbooty in a feild somewhere, with free entry for punters (as with a normal carbooty) and lets all have a ruddy good day out where there is a bit of freedom.
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Barry Attwood
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1411
From: Enfield, U.K.
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted July 27, 2004 03:51 PM
I dealt at Ealing & Blackpool for many years before personal constraints stopped me from dealing at these events now, but I still go to both the BFCC events each year, and of course Blackpool, and I have never attempted to get in before anyone else, and I can be seen to queue each time with the rest of the collectors. If I find what I think is a bargain afterwards, then that is my good fortune, but I have never been tempted to try and gazump any other collector just for the sake of a possible couple of films. I did in the past at one of the BFCC's a few years back have to complain to Keith about a very annoying individiual who thought he was "IT" just because he ran a 'Film Fair' in London, which he thought gave him the right to just waltz into any event he wanted, but that was an isolated incident, and many years ago now. I do hope that there are no dealers sneaking in and doing the dirty on collectors, as it puts us honest dealers to shame.
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