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Peter Berrett
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 - posted July 28, 2006 02:10 AM      Profile for Peter Berrett   Author's Homepage   Email Peter Berrett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all

For some peculiar reason I suspect everyone will look at this thread!

I have seen copies of some Emmanuelle super 8 films for sale. I know that this series was a popular series of soft porn films in the 70s but have never seen any of the films.

Leaving aside obvious displays of nakedness and people making love, does the first film, or any of the sequels, have any artistic merit, plot or anything else that might warrant somebody looking at the film?

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Peter, they are quite boring and pretentious, as a matter of fact. The first one is a landmark as it was the core of a legal battle between censors and producers before finalmly being released. It screened at the same cinema on the Champs-Elysées for 10+ years. The US region 1 dvd is full of documents and press clips (I acted as a contact between Yves Rousset Rouard, the producer, and Anchor Bay, the DVD company. I also shot some extra footage for their documentary).

The 3rd one had a sountrack by Serge Gainsbourg (that's probably its sole artistic interest).

The 4th one was fun as it was in 3D.

And the girls are cute... [Wink]

Film Office, in France, released a bunch of extracts from #2 on super 8. Piccolo (in Germany) released a cutdown of #1 (as a two-parter). Marketing International released #2 as a full feature.

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Andreas Eggeling
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Andreas Eggeling
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Jean-Marc, Peter,

the cutdown of #1 from piccolo is a three-parter. 3 x 120 m, not a two-parter. Piccolo released the sequel "Goodbye Emanuelle" as 2x110m version. These films are very boring.

I like the adventures of Laura Gemser as "Black Emanuelle" more.
Better soundtrack from Nico Fidenco (aka Domenico Colarossi),
the edits are well done to the soundtrack and last but not least, a better trash story.
Some films released as cutdowns by UFA and Piccolo.

best
Andreas

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Andreas, yes, the Laura Gemser flicks (Emanuelle with one "m") were fun. Well, kinda fun.

"Goodbye Emmanuelle" is #3 of the original Sylvia Kristel series.

#2 was called "Emmanuelle, Joys of a Woman" for international release but was called "Emmanuelle 2, l'anti-vierge" (the Antivirgin) for the French release. [Big Grin]

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Andreas Eggeling
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Jean-Marc,
yes, thats right.

#2 was released also by german marketing-film as 2 x400.

Summary:
#1 Emanuelle
(3 x 400 from piccolo film and different extracts from Film Office France)

#2 Joys of a Woman
(marketing-film, 2 x 400 cutdown for Germany, Swiss and Austria and full-length for USA and Canada)

#3 Goodbye Emanuelle
(2 x 400 from piccolo-film)

Andreas

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Andreas: I have never seen Film Office extracts from the first film. I'm sure of extracts from #2, though (I have a couple of them...)

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Andreas Eggeling
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There was a mistake again by me.
I saw five reels at spanish ebay .
But these are from Aries Films, Barcelona.

Summary:
#1 Emanuelle
(3 x 400 from piccolo film and 5 x 60m extracts from Aries Films, Spain)

#2 Joys of a Woman
(marketing-film, 2 x 400 cutdown for Germany, Swiss and Austria and full-length for USA and Canada,
and different extracts from Film Office France)

#3 Goodbye Emanuelle
(2 x 400 from piccolo-film)

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Douglas Meltzer
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Columbia released two digest versions of the original. And let's not forget "Carry on Emmannuelle" (yes, that's the correct spelling)! Probably the worst of the "Carry On" series even though it has that catchy disco ditty "Love Crazy" as the title song. If anyone's interested, the 600' digest is available from.........me!

Doug

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Peter Berrett
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No I must disagree.

Having now recently seen most of the carry On films again I would say the worst was Carry On England. At least Emmannuelle had Kenneth Williams in it.

Regards Peter

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Yanis Tzortzis
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Doug,
did Columbia also release Emmanuelle in full lenght? I have (what I believe to be)a full print of it -1x360m + 1x240m-gone a bit pinkish I must admit,but still very enjoyable;I thought I'd mention this here as nobody seems to have done so...
...And yes Jean-Marc,think your point is spot on-it's a film worth having as it marked this turn in cinematic history,along with the 'Histoire de l'O'(which I also have)and,obviously,'Deep throat'- which I've never come up to so far [Frown]

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Andreas Eggeling
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'Histoire de l'O'
this french/german production with "Mark of the Devil"-Star Udo Kier was released by piccolo-film as 3 x 400 too.

From which company is yours, Yanis?

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John Clancy
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Sounds like you have good flesh tones on your print Yanis.

I thought the film we're talking about was entitled "L'Histoire d'O".

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James N. Savage 3
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I had the 2 extracts from Columbia back in the 70's. This was not originally released as a two-parter. I assume sales were good when the first extract was released, so, about a year later, a second extract was released, titled "More from Emmanuel".

The extra scenes can be intermixed (like the Star Wars extracts). A few scenes overlap, but you get a lot of additional scenes.

Back to Peter's original question: I would/nt consider this an "art film", necessarily, although it does have some artistic qualities, if not just a little. The production values are good, and the score is very pleasant.

There is very little plot, but the story does come together.

I would not consider this a 'porn' movie by today's standards. If released today, it could almost pass with an "R" rating (U.S.). But it IS an adult film, and should be considered for audience consideration. Family Movie Night -its not! [Eek!]

Nick.

Note- this is refering to the original "Emmanuel".

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Andreas Eggeling
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Hi guys,

Note- this is refering to the non original "Emmanuel", to "Black Emanuelle".

Are there any films released outside Germany. Some years ago I saw a 400er print of "Kill and trap them" in Deranns used list.
Who released that???
Piccolo released that film as 2x400 with the german title "Nackt unter Kannibalen", that means in english "Naked beneath Cannibals". Funny Trash.

Also looking for a longer version "Emanuelle in America".
I find the UFA 2x400 version too short.

Andreas

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Yanis Tzortzis
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Andreas, John,
actually, it's 'Histoire d'O': http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073115/
definitely it's the German print that I have-so the Piccolo version; I know the film is originally French- obviously dubbed; I usually want to buy movies in their original language tack, as I HATE dubbing in feature films, but there's little dialogue anyay,and,after all, who cares about dialogue in such a film [Big Grin]
...John, yes the slightly pinkish tone in my 'Emmannuelle' print definitely fits well in such a 'pink' movie [Big Grin]
BTW, what do you think of dubbed movies? I know it's a common practice in Europe especially: can't hink of watching John Wayne speaking German or Bogart speaking Italian [Razz]

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John Clancy
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Can't bear them.

Sorry for the short answer. Fortunately 'Histoire D'O' didn't really need dubbing!!!

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Jan Bister
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Yeah, about dubbed movies... having grown up in Germany, I was of course used to them from the start... that's simply how it was.
Then, once my English got good enough that I could understand features in their original language, and I started seeing movies during visits to the USA and Canada, I found that it was very enjoyable - hearing the dialogue exactly as it was intended by the filmmakers and exactly as the actors spoke it - also subtle meaning and jokes which cannot really be translated would come across much better. I realized things were sometimes lost in the dubbed version.
But that's not all... I became a permanent resident of the States in '96 and have been back to Germany to visit my family a couple of times since, and naturally would see German movies again. Well, suddenly I found them UNBEARABLE! Not only was the translation poor, but lip synching was virtually absent (incidentally it was getting worse than what it had been at the time)! Words just didn't match the mouth movements, and I actually would lip-read and figure out the original dialogue while ignoring the German audio in the process! [Eek!]
How glad I have been to then return to the USA and see movies as they were meant to be seen!!!! Well, heard, that is!!!

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