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Stewart McSporran
Master Film Handler

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From: Glasgow, Scotland
Registered: Nov 2003

posted February 20, 2007 04:04 PM

I've been inspired by the forum to dig out my old 8mm camera and take it on holiday next week.

Now that we're in the age of silent film stock; how hard is it to stripe film? I see stripers on E-Bay from time to time. Are they worth getting, or do people use a professional service? Can you put stripe over cement / tape joins?

cheers
Stewart

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Graham Sinden
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Kent, UK
Registered: Aug 2005

posted February 20, 2007 04:35 PM

I've never done striping myself but ive been warned enough times to stay away from it as it can be a very time consuming and annoying process trying to get the stripe to stay strait even using these striping machines. I myself sent my films to EVT magnetics in East Sussex and they did a very professional job applying both a main and balance stripe and it didnt cost that much.

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Simon McConway
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Doncaster, UK
Registered: Jun 2004

posted February 20, 2007 05:46 PM

Yes, for striping, it's best to send to E v T Magnetics. In fact, I've just sent (yesterday) a 400' reel to them for main striping. It's always quickly done at a reasonable price. Saves you the hassle and annoyance of doing it yourself.

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted February 20, 2007 05:51 PM

I use Evt myself despite the Ocean in between.

Sure it's possible to do it yourself, but there's quite a learning curve along the way and it's just not worth messing up your films while you figure out the recipe!

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Adrian Winchester
Film God

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From: Croydon, London, UK
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posted February 20, 2007 06:20 PM

Just out of interest - can people with home striping machines still buy the stripe? Can't be much demand for it!

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted February 20, 2007 07:37 PM

Yes,

I believe it's still available from Andec, but based on what I've read about the process I'd rather leave it to EVT.

It sounds a little too much like home dentistry, much better left to the pros!

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Dave Johnson
Junior
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From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2006

posted February 21, 2007 04:03 AM

Hi,All
I'M interested in this service could someone supply a snail mail address or email thanks

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Joerg Polzfusz
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
Registered: Apr 2006

posted February 21, 2007 05:13 AM

Hi,

* polyester-based film stock (Single8-Fujichrome, Super8-Ferrania/3M-stock, Super8-Positive-Printfilm used by Andec, ...) can't be striped at home (I only know of three companies that could still do that and two of them only do Single8-Fujichrome!)
* acetate-based film stock can be striped at home and several companies offer that service - BUT!!! Everyone did have serious problems striping the e64t! It looks like you'll either have to use a special glue or you'll have to mill the soundtrack-area before striping it! As a result at least two companies here in Germany refuse to accept "unmilled" e64t for striping and most others will only do the main track! (You might have the same problem with the e100d, the Cinevia isn't affected by this problem.)
* There used to be at least two different manufacturers for the needed tape for striping acetate-based films: Agfa and Orwo. The Afga-tape was the better one, but most companies are out of stock. So you have to use Orwo-material that's less prone to abrasion caused by the sound-head of most projectors and less prone to react with some film-cleaners.
* Wittner is selling the needed glue/tape, too ("Tonspur und Tonspurkleber"):
http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/katalog/03_verbr/d_s8mm.php
* I've got two home-striping machines for Super8/Regular8, but so far I've never used them.
* http://super8wiki.com/index.php/Category:FAQ has got a list of Super8-related companies. The ones doing sound-striping are either marked as "sound-striping", "soundstriping" or "striping" or as "(processing) lab".

Jörg

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James N. Savage 3
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Washington, DC
Registered: Jul 2003

posted February 21, 2007 06:32 AM

Joerg-

I recently sent to EVT a 400 foot reel that contained multiple types of film (k-40, black and white, and the new E64T) for sound striping, main and balance. They came back to me about two weeks later and I have successfully cleaned and recorded on them and there doesn't seem to be any problems with the 64 at all.

It seems that the good people at EVT have mastered even the difficult stocks. I might add that they are also very fast, friendly, effecient and affordable, even with the U.S.A. to England details. I've waited longer and paid more when I've used U.S.A. companies.

James.

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Mike Peckham
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: West Sussex, UK.
Registered: Jun 2003

posted February 21, 2007 07:09 AM

I too can testify to the good sevice offered by EVT, I have only used them a couple of times but on each occasion the film was returned very quickly and with very good quality stripe.

I have also heard that they have been successful in striping the new E64T.

Mike

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Mark Todd
Film God

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From: UK
Registered: Aug 2003

posted February 21, 2007 01:59 PM

Whats the situation with the fuji super 8 from germany now please anyone, where do you get it again, please.
Thanks Mark.

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Graham Ritchie
Film God

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From: New Zealand
Registered: Feb 2006

posted February 21, 2007 03:50 PM

Home striping [Roll Eyes]

those were the days, a lot of fun I quickly learned the importance of tape splices, I used a Rexette striper and it worked really well. The Rexette was very well made, I still have a home movie where you can see the stripe veering quickly across the screen [Eek!]

"must have bump it" I was going to edit it out but after 20 years or so its now a talking point, "there goes the sound" [Big Grin]

so have left it.

Graham [Smile]

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Glenn Brady
Expert Film Handler

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From: North Carolina, USA
Registered: Nov 2006

posted February 21, 2007 06:24 PM

I used a Weberling amateur striper in the 1970s without encountering any problems. This gadget worked properly right out of the box, and the striping done then is still adhered to the film and still has the sound recording I put on it. Weberling amateur stripers are simple and robust, so it's easy to refurbish them. They were originally supplied with drive sprockets to suit either regular 8mm or Super 8. Some Weberling machines could apply a balance stripe, too, and these appear from time-to-time at eBay.Deutschland. The larger, professional Weberling groovers and stripers are better still, although uncommon.

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Joerg Polzfusz
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
Registered: Apr 2006

posted February 22, 2007 04:19 AM

quote:
Whats the situation with the fuji super 8 from germany now please anyone, where do you get it again, please.
Thanks Mark.

So far all reports about the Fuji Velvia 50D (sold as Cinevia, WittnerCHROME V50D and under several other names) say that it can be striped as easily as the Kodachrome 40.

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