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Topic: AGFA thinner than L.P.P.
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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted October 04, 2007 10:15 AM
No, honestly, i have seen the difference on 400ft reels, and the cut of Hoppity is exactly the same.
The thickest film stock i have ran into is what was used on those Italian feature prints. i have a print of "The Rescuers", which is only perhaps 80 minutes long, and yet, it
COMPLETELY fills three 600ft reels, which can hold usually 31 minutes.
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Osi Osgood
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posted October 04, 2007 03:19 PM
I've actually had those for a few month's now and it has been an interesting comparison. The earlier print, the AGFA Red Fox print, is from 1977 (as the very edge of the leader states), and yet, the image is slightly brigher and a little more true to the original color. this is no slam on the Derann print, which is quite nice, but the Derann is slightly "dupey' looking, but still very good.
The reason for the superiority of the Red Fox AGFA print has really nothing to do with it being AGFA. The master negative leader, (which is included along with the RED FOX leader ... lots of yummy leader) has the original title "Mr. Bug Goes To Town Part 1 ect." on it, not the revamped "Hoppity" title, while the print it was taken from has a faded "Hoppity" title, (the added "Hoppity Goes to Town" title card was no doubt on faded eastman stock, right after you go past that, onto the rest of the credits, it has suprisingly magnificent colour!!!!), after the title, the color is great from start to finish.
This is interesting, as the last reel of the Derann has a slight color shift in the last reel. the last shot of Hoppity and Honey Bee, for instance, is surrounded by colorful flowers.
On the Derann print, the color is fine on the flowers on one side, but strangely colored on the other. On the Red Fox AGFA, the color is beautiful on all sides.
What does all this say? I believe that the master used for the Red Fox release of Hoppity, is one of the ORIGINAL NEGATIVES from the first run of "Mr. Bug Goes to Town" The sharpness is also superior on the AGFA. GAWD!!! How I need to incorporate screen shots from these prints!!!!
But in Derann's favor, the AGFA print has negative scratches on the RED FOX print, the Derann has no such scratches.
As this film is a particular passion of mine, i will figure out screen shot stuff so you folks can see the difference, frame by frame side comparison of the same frame stuff.
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