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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted October 19, 2007 04:24 PM
Just curious, the slightly bluish tint to some of Derann's prints, is this something more common in recent releases, or has it been there over the years?
I just ask as I notice that my earlier Derann prints, (Star Wars ect.) have a perfect spectrum, but some of my later prints, (Fantasia 2000 especially) tend to have a bluish quality to them.
Of course, it's great to have them in the first place, but it is a curiosity, to be sure ...
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Osi Osgood
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posted October 20, 2007 10:34 AM
True words Mark.
Although there is a bluish tint, they are still appreciated. In the case of "Fantasia 2000", I note the bluish tint more on the reel with "The Brave Tin Solgier". Perhaps, could it also involve the film lab used and a potential change in stock used?
I have never seen this problem in thier earlier AGFA prints.
I really do have to say that i find the AGFA stock to be superior to the Eastman L.P.P. (That is no fault to Derann of course). I have a print of "Hoppity Goes To Town" , a 1977 AGFA print, and the colour is truly pristine, even after 30 years. It reminds me a perfect Technicolor.
It has been noted on this forum in the past, (rightfully so), that there has been a tendency in film-making to moving towards a "bluish spectrum". I've noticed this more in science fiction films, or darker films in general. Another example is
"Dark City" an excellent film!
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Barry Attwood
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posted October 21, 2007 02:14 AM
In some cases, for example, Derann's excellent print of "Independence Day" they had to use a 35mm positive print to make a 16mm Scope interneg, as this film was made using the super 35mm system, which is similar to the old Todd-AO whereas the release prints are squeezed in the labs. So this does suffer from bluish sections in certain places, and this is directly attributed to how the 35mm print was made in the first place. I am a regular goer to the cinema, and I have noticed over the last few years how this tendancy of some of the 35mm prints to have a blue bias, I don't know why, it's not on every title, but some definatly have it. Thus when 8mm prints are struck from 35mm positive prints (i.e. cinema prints), whatever is on the 35mm print, be it a bluish tint etc., will be passed onto 8mm prints. As this seems to be quite a common occurance on 35mm prints these days I doubt if there is much to be done about the 8mm prints, still I'd rather have a slight bluish tint than no print at all.
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