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Ethem Pekin
Junior
Posts: 18
From: Brussels Belgium
Registered: Oct 2007

posted December 09, 2007 06:11 PM

Dear 8mm Forum members,

I have recently bought a film from ebay.
It is 600ft reel but my Eumig 501 only takes 400ft.
Is there a way to transfer film from large reels to smaller ones?
What kind of equipment is most practical?

Could you share your opinions and experiences?

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

Posts: 7016
From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted December 09, 2007 07:42 PM

If you are going to do this it means you need to find some natural pause in the film about halfway through, make a cut, splice a leader on the end and a tail on the beginning. Since you can't actually watch the whole thing this is kind of awkward.

I'm a big fan of 600 footers so it kind of hurts for me to even think about cutting one down to smaller reels. They are long enough that they can be a show all by themselves: actually longer than the typical television show once the commercials are excluded.

Maybe you need to use this as an excuse to get a second projector designed for larger reels. Having a second projector is not at all excessive: if for example you show a multiple reel feature, having alternating machines means it can flow just like it's meant to. It also means if your primary machine goes down you aren't out of business.

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Graham Sinden
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1131
From: Kent, UK
Registered: Aug 2005

posted December 10, 2007 07:13 AM

I agree with Steve, try to buy another projector. Treat yourself this christmas. You wont regret it as it opens the door to a whole load of films and enjoyment. [Smile]

Graham S

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Jim Schrader
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1628
From: Savage, MN, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted December 10, 2007 10:54 AM

Ethem if possible check the hub on the 600 reel 400's have a smaller hub if you can find a reel with a small hub you might be able to fit that on it otherwise this website sells 300ft reels you can break it in half and still be able to watch it.
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Osi Osgood
Film God

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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005

posted December 10, 2007 02:06 PM

Another thing to check is the length of the film. If the film is only 24 or so minutes long, then, though it's on a 600ft reel, you may be able to put it on a VERY full 400ft reel and keep from dividing it in two.

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

Posts: 7016
From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted December 10, 2007 02:59 PM

Osi speaks the truth, but very full film reels are troublesome for the same reason very full bathtubs are: sooner or later it'll come sloshing over the side and there will be a mess!

-yet I guess if you are really careful this will get you by until temptation catches up and you buy that 600ft (or more) machine.

This is the ultimate fix: Graham was right, there are a lot of great films that simply aren't available on 400 foot reels.

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Ethem Pekin
Junior
Posts: 18
From: Brussels Belgium
Registered: Oct 2007

posted December 10, 2007 06:23 PM

many thanks for the replies.
I will update my list from the Santa!
I will consider having a machine with sound in anycase so with that I should go for a 600 or even 800 size.
At the moment my primary interest is to collect amateur voyage films or short animations. But if I continue with movies I think this havine a better projector is the only solution.

But one more question. I also see super8 editors/viewers. Can these be useful to transfer films?

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

Posts: 7016
From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted December 10, 2007 07:32 PM

In that case, doubly so!

About 5 years ago I only had silent films and equipment, and I had a great time of it, however the day I bought my first sound machine the hobby expanded spectacularly for me.

2002: 100% silent
2007: less than 10% silent. (and I've continued to buy and make silent films in the meantime, and haven't sold any either.)

The silent film is a wonderful medium, but it has its limits. Sound is what brought cinema into its golden age.

Editor/viewers are basically useful for editing and viewing. I've never heard of someone using one for transfer.

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