8mm Forum: Super Duper 8 (project)

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Posted by Ian Mackie (Member # 1273) on September 16, 2008, 08:16 AM:

Quite interested in finding out if anyone has had any luck converting their camera to this format?

Is it as simple [Smile]

as widening the camera gate to expose a larger part of the film?

Wondering if this is something I might look into doing myself or whether this needs to be tackled by a professional camera guy??

Thoughts and experiences most appreciated!

Ian

Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on September 16, 2008, 03:39 PM:

Ian,

As someone who is thinking about getting back into shooting Super-8, the S-D-8 format certainly is intriguing, in terms of giving you a bit more 'surface' to squeeze resolution out of, in addition to getting a more widescreen-friendly frame.

Are you trying to do it just for the camera, for the purpose of running the footage through a modded telecine afterwards, or are you thinking of filing out the gate in your projector as well so it will screen correctly?

I have no experience with metalworking, but I can imagine that the tolerances for doing the gate(s) must be pretty tight, if it is to be a clean, even frame, given the level of blow-up that takes place with the footage.

Do tell more about what ideas you have for using this.

Claus.

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on September 17, 2008, 05:10 AM:

Hi,

problems to solve when converting to super-duper8 (alias Max8) besides widening the gate:
a) There's a high chance that you encounter vignetting caused by the lens and hence can't use the whole zoom-range.
b) You wouldn't see the wider picture in the view-finder.
c) The picture's centre isn't the lens' centre any more. Hence zooming will cause strange effects. To eliminate this you would have to move the lens.

Jörg

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on September 17, 2008, 06:14 AM:

Sounds like its ahrdly worth it, just go to 16mm.
Best Mark.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on September 17, 2008, 09:14 AM:

....or 9.5mm. [Big Grin]

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on September 17, 2008, 09:21 AM:

...or shoot with anamorphic lens.

Posted by Joerg Niggemann (Member # 611) on September 17, 2008, 01:10 PM:

Hi,

S-D-8 shouldn't be used for projection. The projector's film guide parts and sound head unit will instantly scratch the additional image area. It's a format for telecine in order to get close to the 16:9 TV screen.

Joerg

Posted by Ian Mackie (Member # 1273) on September 17, 2008, 04:42 PM:

Mmmmmm!

Sounds like it could be a lot of work for not much gain!

I think I'll just stick with what I've got already! [Smile]

Thanks for all the helpful replies... I think this is definitely something for telecine rather than projection - but if I ever try it I'll let you all know!

Best regards,

Ian

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on September 18, 2008, 04:36 AM:

If you want to spend a few US-dollars, you could get a "Canon 1014-XLS" turned into a "Max 8 1014" at http://www.pro8mm.com/ :
"Upgrade price for current Canon 1014-XLS owners is $995.00.
Canon Max 8 1014 packages start at $2995.00."
[Big Grin]

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