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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 25, 2012, 09:01 PM:
 
Hi all,

Remember my previous post regarding "Waiting for my large order...!" , there I wrote about my latest find of 30+ cartoons.

I promised to share the screen shot and here we go.

But please understand that this is not a review since I haven't seen them but only screening them for a couple minutes to let me taking some screen shots.

Secondly, most of them are in white boxes (no artwork) so I don't know who released them.

Thirdly, most of them are printed without any film stock mark.

Lastly, screen shots were taken by a digital camera with auto setting was on. So some are seen better than others, and some are lighter/darker while they are actually the same print.

The reason I am putting them here just because I never heard them in many years of my collecting. Most of super 8mm cartoons I knew so far are those the usual Walt Disney, WB from Techno, Woody Woodpecker, Andy Panda, Chilly Willy, T&J from Walton/MGM, Inspector, Pink Panther and sort of.

If in any rate the following titles are also usual titles for your case, please forgive my ignorance.

Last but not least, some of titles are banned in the US due to the political incorrectness at today's standard. You can discuss about the 8mm related matters but please do not discuss the political side, as it is not our cup of tea in this forum.

I provide the youtube link of the same film below the screen shot, where you can compare the 8mm print quality AND to express your thought about the political side.

So let me start with this:

Inki and the Minah Bird (1943)



Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djxnw090EeE

My observation, the super 8mm print is better than the youtube, isn't it?

[ January 26, 2012, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]
 

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Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on January 25, 2012, 09:10 PM:
 
The colors are superb!
 

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Posted by Gerald Santana (Member # 2362) on January 25, 2012, 10:05 PM:
 
I would say that your film has excellent color Winbert!
 

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Posted by Anthony Buhay (Member # 2874) on January 26, 2012, 04:48 AM:
 
THE COLORS! hah! WOW!

so interestinggg
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 26, 2012, 09:17 AM:
 
Thanks guys for the compliments. I will try to post all my cartoons once a day (give me time for taking screen shots and edit/crop them)

To make this thread more interesting, I invite those cartoons experts to give a score on the rarity of each title.

So below is my rating system:

• 5 = I never heard this title ever released on super 8mm. OMG is Extremely RARE!!

• 4 = I knew this title was once released on super 8mm, but never seen in my life of collecting . Very Rare!

• 3 = I once had (or found my friend had this) but never seen this again at Ebay or film fair or if ever once or twice on Ebay in the last three years. Rare enough

• 2 = It is on Ebay or film fair once a while. Not rare

• 1 = Well, this is like "Cinderella" or "Escape from the Astragad" from WDHM. Very common!

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Looking forward to more.

More....More....MORE!

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OK here we go (guys please don't forget to give your rarity rate):

The Isle of Pingo Pongo (1938)



Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QlrepwGBOY

It says:

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One of the "Censored 11" banned from T.V. syndication by United Artists in 1968 (then the owners of the Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies film library) for alleged racism. Ted Turner continued the ban when he was hired and stated that these films will not be re-issued and will not be put on Home Video. These cartoons will probably never air on television again, and only non-Warner Bros. Licensed public domain video tapes will probably ever have these cartoons on them.

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What is your rarity rate on super 8mm for this title?
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 27, 2012, 01:07 PM:
 
Another great super 8 print! I think the very reason why a lot of these made it onto super 8 in the first place is because they were being dropped out of TV distribution and censored to hell, thereby also bringing up thier collectible value!

Keep it up, your doing great Winbert, (as well as making me quite envious!)
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 27, 2012, 04:31 PM:
 
Hi Osi, thanks. I will post another reel tomorrow. BTW, what would you give the rarity rate for "the Isle of Pingo Pongo"?
 

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Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on January 27, 2012, 04:43 PM:
 
I have a very nice copy of "ISLE OF PINGO PONGO"....looks like yours.

I would rate it a 3....I don't see this title at all but I have one.

Bill
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 28, 2012, 10:18 AM:
 
Bill, thanks for the rate.

The following is a kinda weird Donald Duck's film for today's Walt Disney standard. This is not a racism film, and this is not Cinderella nor the Slepping Bauty as well as the Jungle Book.

From the title itself, we knew that this is not usual. The title is "Donald Duck: Der Fuehrer's Face". It is an anti-Nazi propaganda film.

I have just knew this type of film but may be plenty during WWII released by parties involved in war.

This title was first released on 1 januari 1943, and received an Academy Award for best short animation on a specific subject in 1942-1943. The song that was used in the film became famous on its own and became a hit when Spike Jones played it.

I don't know how often this title shows up in 8mm format, but it does exist in 16mm. Today, I checked on Ebay there is the same title on 16mm offered for $149!!.

Here is the screen shots:

Donald Duck: Der Fuehrer's Face (1943)



The print is on LPP but the colors are not that strong like the previous ones. I guess this is due to the lab problems (filter?/negative?). But the title cards are strong like usual Disney prints on LPP.

The you tube link to compare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpgSYbrw09g

it says:

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Donald Duck starring in the funny classic cartoon Der Fuehrer's Face describing the comedic stance on nazi life through american propaganda

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Directed by Jack Kinney. Donald Duck is awakened by a marching band (Comprised of Hirohito, Goering and Musolini) playing "Der Fuehrer's Face" as it passes by Donald Duck's house. Then, his Adolph Hitler alarm clock goes off. He awakes, has a poor breakfast with stale bread. Then he goes to an army factory where he works in the production of ammunition brainwashed by the Nazi propaganda. Donald Duck has a nervous breakdown with the stressed situation but when he awakes, he finds that he had a nightmare and he actually lives in United States of America.

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What is your rarity rate for this title?
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 28, 2012, 12:27 PM:
 
It's no doubt down to the source material. I have an LPP print of "A Tale of Two Kitties" (Warner Brothers, 1942, I believe), and while it's LPP, the source material was absolutely atrocious and so it looked faded from the get go ...

... and that is no doubt the situation with this print. It's definitely not an official WDHM release. However, at least, being LPP, the color will not get worse. Keep up the great work, though it's not mine, I'm quite proud of this great haul you made on these shorts!
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 28, 2012, 07:54 PM:
 
Thanks Osi, but you still forgot to give a rate. As you are one of the cartoon expert here, I really wish you can share the opinion about the rarity by giving the rate.

Tommorow I will try to post another rare stuff.

Cheers,
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 28, 2012, 08:44 PM:
 
"Isle of Pingo Pongo" rating of 4

"Der Fuerer's Face" rating of 4 and a half.

That's based on how often I have seen a print and "Der Fuerer" I've only seen one other. "Isle of Pingo Pongo" I have seen a little more often. That doesn't mean that there are only two of "Der Fuerer", it's just that whoevcer has them are holding onto them quite tightly.
 

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Posted by Paul Spinks (Member # 573) on January 29, 2012, 07:15 AM:
 
I sold a super 8 print of "The Fuehrer's Face" on ebay many years ago. I had bought it used from Perry's for £12 and when I decided to just specialise in collecting vintage horror features I moved a lot of titles on. I started the listing at £5 and it just took off, eventually selling to a German collector for £54. I felt so bad about it going that high that I included a print of "The Seven Wise Dwarfs" in the parcel so that I didn't feel like I was fiddling the chap. I've never had a good head for business.

[ January 29, 2012, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Paul Spinks ]
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 29, 2012, 07:57 AM:
 
Hi Paul, thanks for sharing. I have also another unusual Disney in this lot i.e "Spirit of 43". I will take the screen shots if time permited.

Btw, did you remember if your "Fuehrer" print also had warming colours like above? Or was yours much better?
 

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Posted by Paul Spinks (Member # 573) on January 29, 2012, 08:10 AM:
 
It was about the same, I think they all look like this. Mine came with one or two thin black lines on the right side or the print which was another reason I moved it on. Catchy little song though, the audience always join in.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 30, 2012, 09:37 AM:
 
The following title is not banned anywhere, so it's safe for kids. However, I never heard this title released before, "Willie the Operatic Whale" (aka "The Whale Who Wanted to Sing at the Met") originally released by Walt Disney in 1946. For super 8mm release this title is spooled in 400' reel (14 minutes +)

IMDB says:

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The Metropolitan Opera is looking for the sea monster reported in newspaper headlines, because this monster sings beautifully! The "monster" is actually Willie, a whale who can sing in several voices simultaneously. A friend of his, a gull called Whitey, tells him about the searching ship, and Willie goes to audition, as it's been his ambition to perform on stage. Unfortunately, Professor Tetti Tatti from the Opera believes that one or more singers have been swallowed by the whale, and need to be rescued.

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Willie the Operatic Whale (1946)



As you can see above, the print is absolutely gorgeous!. Colors are very strong in any aspects. Print is very pin sharp. You can see on the newspaper where we can still read all small letters.

Here is the original screen shot for the newspaper scenes, and you can say that this 8mm is in par with 16mm quality.





Here is youtube link to compare the 8mm print and video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnjuQjACXI


You can see that 8mm prints beats video in terms of color and sharpness.

I have been searching on this forum is print has ever been mentioned. The result was only twice. Once where Ian O'Reilly put it on his list and the other one when one-post member was offering this title for $100.

I don't know how rare is this title but I heard this one was released by Derann (?). So perhaps this title is between rating 3 to 4 on rarity rating.

What do you think?

cheers,

winbert
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 30, 2012, 12:54 PM:
 
I believe that this one is more common and someone can correct me if I am wrong, but this one was a Derann release? (or CHC?)

Still, good to see.
 

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Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on January 31, 2012, 05:41 AM:
 
Beautiful stuff Winbert!

Pingo-Pongo was available from Derann during the past 20 years or so, and I believe was one of the films they purchased from Red Fox in the 80's (Red Fox prints might be faded). I had this a while back too.

Willie was available from Derann too, but maybe for ten years or so.

I have personally never seen a print of DER FUEHRER, so that one may be very rare.

I guess what it really boils down to Winbert, is how many print were actually made, which we may never know. One thing's for sure though- The longer you take care of those beautiful prints, the more rare they will be in the years to come!

My rarity rating-

Isle of Pingo-Pongo 3

Der Fuehrer's Face 5

Willie the Operatic Whale 3

Any way you look at it, its a great find!

James.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 31, 2012, 08:13 AM:
 
Thanks James for the ratings. It helps me in mapping out the whole 8mm scene era pre my involvement like today. Here is ( or might be) another rare stuff.

The following title is not a drawing animation but puppet annimation (or then called Puppetoon). It is one of George Pal films titles "John Henry and Inky-Poo".
 
Summary from IMDB says:
 

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In this George Pal Puppetoon, John Henry a legendary figure of American folklore, goes to work for the C.& O. Railroad, which, shortly thereafter, buys an automatic steel-driving engine, called the Inky-Poo. John Henry matches his strength against the Inky-Poo, saying that any man can beat a machine because a man has a mind. John Henry wins, but drops at the finish, never to rise again. The choral music background is by the Luvenia Nash Singers

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From different source: http://www.awn.com/heaven_and_hell/PAL/GP4.htm

tells that "John Henry and the Inky-Poo, the second-to last Puppetoon ever made, is rumored to be a sort of good-willed attempt to make up for the racist stereotypes displayed in the the Jasper series. "
 
(ps: in my lot Jasper is also one of them)
 
John Henry and Inky-Poo (1946)
 

 
Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEQGIL9dsns&feature=related 

(start at 0:30)
 
While print is sharp but the color is not too colorful. I beleive this relied on the negative, while the youtube link above is more bluish tone.
 
I don't know who released this and would appreciate if members here can give a light.
 
thanks
 

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Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on January 31, 2012, 08:59 AM:
 
Winbert-

On a scale of 1 to 5, this is a 10!

But seriously, I think this one is VERY rare, and a good find. I have never seen it on ANY list, new or used, in my 30-plus years in super 8.

Congradulations on this one!

John Henry and the Inky-Poo----- 5

James.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 31, 2012, 12:27 PM:
 
James thanks. I will try to post something more tomorrow. However I don't know if I can provide with screen shots for the rest, since they are too many. I will try my best.

Cheers,
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 31, 2012, 01:40 PM:
 
I don't see too many of those Puppetoons around. Good to see that one!
 

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Posted by Terry Lagler (Member # 1110) on January 31, 2012, 04:00 PM:
 
Good job on these Winbert!

If I can get my filmshow off the ground this summer you'll have to make it this year - and bring some of those films.

It was good to finally meet you too!

Cheers
Terry
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 06, 2012, 09:54 AM:
 
Hi Terry,

It was nice to meet you in person too. After 9 years joining this forum, you are the first collector I meet off line

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I don't see too many of those Puppetoons around

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Me too Osi.
 
However in this lot, beside the above John Henry, there are another 3 reels of George Pal's puppeton, i.e:
 
Jasper and the Haunted House (1942)
 

 
Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODkKYYZi4p4
 
Jasper and the Haunted House is another George Pal Puppetoon about a black boy and his troubles. This time, the scarecrow switches a sign that leads Jasper to a haunted house instead of a deacon's place where he brings a pie. There's an entertaining swing number with the house's piano, and books on a shelf moving to the music.
 
Philips Broadcast (1938) aka La Grande Revue Philips 
 

 
Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTU3j_cknOM
 
This astonishing advertisement film made in 1938 for Philips radios, is the work of a brilliant forerunner of animation: George Pal. It uses the puppets from his invention called "Puppetoons", composed of numerous interchangeable wooden parts and filmed image by image. Months of work for a 5-minute dream in Technicolor!
 
Ship of the Ether (1934)


 
No info about this film on the net, and no youtube link either
 
As we can see that the last two films suffer fade very badly. But I suspect this came from bad negatives used.
 
Anyway, if you want to rate how rate these three titles, I appriciate that very much.
 
cheers,
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on February 06, 2012, 12:56 PM:
 
Those Puppetoons are hard to find with any good color, so that "Jasper and the Haunted House" is a good find. I was never much into the Puppetoons, but I'm thankful that they were made ...

Because they led to the classic Science Fiction film, "War of the Worlds". It's hard to imagine that the same person responsible for "Jasper" and the Puppetoons, would then just a few years later make one of the greatest Science Fiction films of all time!

Keep up the fun, my friend!
 

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Posted by Panayotis A. Carayannis (Member # 1220) on February 06, 2012, 03:01 PM:
 
I have about ten Puppetoons in total. Most were issued by Glenn Photo and have gone reddish by now,like your SHIP OF ETHER,(Which was originally filmed in Gasparcolor,but you won't see any difference from your print,or mine!).The non-Glenns have retained them. I am surprised however by how much better your prints are,colorwise. All so far are rather rare, so, hold on to them!
 

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Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on February 06, 2012, 04:10 PM:
 
It's funny that most of what is here was offered by Steve Vilarino. I know for sure he had Willie before Derann.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 06, 2012, 04:56 PM:
 
Larry,

Thanks for the additional info. I think you have solved the mystery of all these films.

After you mention "Steve Vilarino", I then searched in this forum and find 3 posts mentioning his name:

Anyone deal with Steve Vilarino Films?

Read a post made by D'Arcy More:

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Ahhhhh yes.......Steve Vilarino......I still have one of his old lists on file. Steve was known for having the rare stuff that's for sure. I purchased from him in the mid to late 80's full length super 8 sound prints of Bride of Frankenstein, The Wolfman and Freaks. Got a nifty little print of a Vinnie Price University film short called Anabel Lee (Poe Poem). My last purchase with him was about 6 years ago when I heard he had a mint full length Super 8 sound print of The Old Dark House with Karloff. Scooped that up right away and it is one of the gems in my collection. Steve moved from Redondo Beach to L.A. but I have completely lost track of him now.

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There were a couple of companies in the U.S. that released obscure cartoons like this one. One was FEF films, the other one was STEVE VILARINO FILMS. I'm thinking it may have been the later, since SVF never marked the leader on their films.

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Steve Villarino was OK with me.While he sold legitimate films from Morcraft (Thunderbird),Perry's,Steel Valley and others ,he was basically a pirate.I bought too many cartoons from him ,years before Derann issued many of them officially, and several features,very few of which I have seen in second hand lists ever since.He was reliable in his dealings,waiting patiently my paying in installments,and taking back faulty prints.I dealt with him from about 1980 to 1986 when a severe economic slump forced me to stop buying for a time and told him to stop sending me his lists.I have kept most of them (hand written in the beginning,then ,typewritten).

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Five Boscos were issued by Steve Vilarino; HEY,HEY FEVER;BOSCO AND THE CANNIBALS;BOSCO AND THE PIRATES;THE OLD HOUSE;BOSCO'S EASTER EGGS; also ,SWING WEDDING.Red Fox issued PEACE ON EARTH, and I'm sure I am missing a few! "Recent" releases include TO SPRING ,ROOKIE BEAR and A RAINY DAY.
Then we have about 60 (yes, sixty!) Tom and Jerrys,including only one or two from the Chuck Jones period.
Doug pretty much covered the Avery titles to which I may add JERKY TURKEY and SENOR DROOPY (directed by Dick Lundy) and Derann did release flat versions of originally scope cartoons. Tex Avery did share the direction of his later cartoons with Michael Lah,and after he left,Lah continued the Droopy series alone.Droopy's design did become simplified (and unappealing) by the mid fifties,until he became an UPA clone.

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