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Barry Fritz
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posted June 21, 2012 08:03 PM

In another thread, several members mentioned using Super Glue for splicing, and had good results. How is it used? Butt splicing? Does it work on all types of film?

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Jim Schrader
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posted June 21, 2012 09:11 PM

Barry I started experimenting with that when I started out I was self taught it did work I used the back of reel cans to guide me had one splice that lasted for years. [Wink]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 21, 2012 09:25 PM

I have a Fuji splicer but run out the tape. I can order the tape from the Netherlands but the cost is EUR 10 each. Then experimenting with this super glue and worked well.

What I usually did was to use the splicer as the template then join the two films by cutting a bit more length on one end of film. This extra length is used to apply the glue so it can stick to the other end. Press with fingers covered with paper (to avoid oily mark from finger on film).

It will dry and stick forever.

Good luck!

[ June 22, 2012, 08:09 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

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Vincent Zabbia
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posted June 22, 2012 08:04 AM

Does using glue creat a bump/lump on the film. Does it goe through the projector without a glitch?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 22, 2012 08:11 AM

Yes Vincent,

Since one end will be on the top of the other end, it will create bump. But as far as I am concerned it will go through without any problem because it is only a small part at 24 fps.

Anyway, isn't that the same method also used for cement type splicing?. Only we change the liquid into super glue.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted June 22, 2012 08:40 AM

I can honestly say superglue works on all types of film,I tend not
to use it on acetate,but for the estar type stock it is ideal, one
word of warning,it must be used very sparingly,as too much
can make a mess.Use a cement splicer and scrape BOTH surfaces
in the usual manner,give the surfaces to be joined a little brush
to remove dust,a tiny drop smeared on the clean edge and the
jaws of the splicer quickly snapped shut.After a minute or so,
remove the film and clean of any excess that might have seeped through at the edges and you have a splice that should last a very long time.I do know for a fact that the glue itself
has been diluted by the manufacturers because of accidents
and the missuse by idiots,but it seems okay for our use.

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Jerome Sutter
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posted June 22, 2012 08:47 AM

Very Interesting. So it won't melt the selection of film that it is applied? [Eek!]

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Maurice Leakey
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posted June 22, 2012 08:50 AM

Using super-glue seems an extreme, it makes me shudder at the thought of only a small amount on the skin.

Whilst I am very attached to my hobby this cannot be taken too literally.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted June 22, 2012 09:13 AM

I'vs never suffered any problems Jerome,and I first used it back
in 1981 to enable the re editng of the STAR WARS extracts which
were estar and acetate,and so far so good.The reason I tried this
was because at the time I didn't have a tape splicer.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted June 22, 2012 01:14 PM

I just wonder why anyone would want to bother - tape and tape splicers are freely available.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted June 22, 2012 01:23 PM

Michael,

We cannot use the usual tape because it need to be perforated.

While perforated tape will depend on what type of splicer we have.

Beside, using tape will cover the magnetic track although only for a milli-sec. But that is enough to make a "pop" sound.

Using cement (or in this case replaced by super glue), if we can smooth the join will reduce that "pop" sound.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted June 22, 2012 01:30 PM

But, there are systems which use tape which will be perforated during the process.
I use a Fujica tape splicer for 8mm and a CIR for 16.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted June 22, 2012 01:34 PM

My C.I.R. splicer perforates ordinary (plain) roll tape, and does not cover the magnetic (main) sound track. It does, however, cover the balance track.

If you need main and balance tracks to be clear of tape the Wurker S8 is the one to use with Wurker Duoplay splicing patches.

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Bryan Chernick
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posted June 22, 2012 01:45 PM

The nice thing about film cement is that you won't accidentally glue your film to the splicer. I use the Bolex beveled splicer and it makes a very nice splice that you barely notice going through the projector. It doesn't interfere with the sound stripe and will last forever if done right. I hate working with super glue, it can be very messy if you're not careful or make a mistake.

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Jim Schrader
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posted June 22, 2012 09:00 PM

if using on 16mm one can cover up the splice with blooper tape so you do not hear the pop. [Smile]

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Graham Ritchie
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posted June 22, 2012 09:59 PM

I made the switch to tape splices long ago after a film break [Frown]

during striping of my own home movies and have never gone back.
The splicer I really liked and still use it from time to time is the Agfa F8S. It cuts, peels and rolls over the tape splice on the film in seconds by moving the handle down and back up. Its well thought out, however it does cover the balance stripe but not the main.

For stereo soundtracks I use the Wurker, its a bit more slower to use than the Agfa but works well both main and balance stripe are left uncovered. If you are putting on, say away film show and cut the heads and tails off your films so they can all go onto a large reel eg 1200ft. Its easy to peel the splices away later on without loosing any film when you pull them apart when fitting them back onto their own individual reels.

Graham.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted June 23, 2012 10:31 AM

The benefit of using superglue to join estar film stocks means
that the problems some members have had when using cleaners
causing tape splices to part,just don't happen.Tape splices are
very good,but sods law dictates that just when you don't want
them to part,they will,usually in the middle of a show.

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Vincent Zabbia
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posted June 24, 2012 11:10 AM

Hi Winbert I use a standard 8mm cement splicer for my regular 8mm films. No bump because the film is scraped before appying the glue..Can't scrape super 8 because the holes are too small...

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Gary Crawford
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posted June 29, 2012 06:21 AM

Several folks on the forum have been asking about where to find splices and splicing tape and splicing cement. Steve Osborne of the Reel Image sells every type splicer and splicer material ..presstapes , ciro tape etc...He has it all. He doesn't do much in the way of email and such..but call and leave him a message and he'll get back to you. 937-296-9036

The Reel Image
2520 Blackhawk Road
Kettering, Ohio 45420
He also sells new releases and has a periodic used film list with great stuff and reasonable prices.

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Vincent Zabbia
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posted June 29, 2012 07:54 AM

DITTO

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted June 29, 2012 10:16 AM

I don't want to terrify anyone,but even though I use CIR splicers
they are not the answer to everything.In one of the cine mags
there was a letter from someone who worked in film restoration
and went on to say about how after a time,the adhesive "bleeds"
and causes no end of damage.He went on to say that when film
is in storage,the new tape joins had to have paper between the
adjacent layers of film to prevent leakage from the new splice.

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Vincent Zabbia
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posted July 04, 2012 06:50 PM

Hugh, Yikes, that sounds horrible. Who is the blame for this terrible circumstance? I won't stand for it. How dare those splices leak and cause havoc!!!

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Vincent Zabbia
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posted July 09, 2012 01:59 PM

Steve Osborne sells the Eastman Kodak splicing Glue / Cement in different sizes. He also sells the Fuji Tapes, Wurker Tapes and the Ciro Tapes...His phone is 937-296-9036

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Joshua Dill
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posted May 09, 2014 10:02 PM

I use super glue for my splicing needs because it's quick, easy and durable. It acts as a wonderful and inexpensive substitute for splicing cement! My only worry is that it might react to the film base, but so far, I have had no trouble with it.

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