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Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 10, 2012, 11:18 PM:

Does anyone know why this 75 minutes feature was put out on four 600' reels by Derann?

Also, The Sorcerer's Apprentice seems missing from some prints at least. Was it missing from all prints?

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 11, 2012, 02:42 AM:

Are you not confusing two films Akshay,as I understand the
"Sorcerers Apprentice" was included with "Fantasia" in various
lengths from Derann,whereas "Fantasia 2000" was released as
a complete feature.

Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 11, 2012, 03:00 AM:

Hugh, take a look at the following.

1. The last but third paragraph by Gian Luca says 4x600' spools too

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000367

2. Here is the Derann list, http://derannlists.co.uk/derann/8c.php

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 11, 2012, 03:28 AM:

I don't know if this clip was included Akshay,but I know that the
original "fANTASIA" was sold in "dribs & drabs" from Derann,
some were short clips others long,I have a clip myself that is
about 300' in length.As far as I remember,I can't recall it being
sold complete.If the other film contains clips from the original
I can't see why they wouldn't be included.

Posted by Panayotis A. Carayannis (Member # 1220) on August 11, 2012, 04:25 AM:

Derann,since making the big deals with MGM,Disney,Fox etc, sold all their features in 600 ft reels.Some of these,contain only 400 feet of film,depending on the number of the original film's reels. This also happens in Italy a lot. It is a good chance to put the 400 feet of film in 400 ft reels and keep the,rarer, 600 ft reels for other occasions.

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on August 11, 2012, 05:56 AM:

Hello Akshay,

my copy has the Sorcerer's aprentice included, so for sure not all copies have this episode missing.

Bye
Flavio

Posted by Jeroen van Ooijen (Member # 1104) on August 11, 2012, 06:51 AM:

Mine is complete also,but i don't like the colors!it's very blue! [Razz]

Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on August 11, 2012, 10:43 AM:

Thanks everyone. Very helpful.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 11, 2012, 01:27 PM:

I had kind of thought that this was the case, (no 400ft reels avaialble), as this feature was a rather late release in Derann's history ... the last Disney feature to be released (a real shame as, if they could have kept they're deal going with Disney for one more year, "Atlantis" might have made it onto super!).

I know that "Master and Commander" was a feature after "Fantasia 2000", but were they're any other features released after Fantasia 200 besides?

Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 21, 2012, 10:45 PM:

Got a worn but enjoyable copy of this from The Reel Image at the holidays. Having just shown it with DVD sound, I had to carefully account for the timings and lengths of each of the original reels (even though my copy came all spliced together on an extend-a-reel).

Panayotis is absolutely correct - regardless of the use of 600' reels, which was unnecessary - the Fantasia 2000 print is absolutely complete at 75 minutes and came on 4 reels, not 3, which appear to correspond precisely to the reel configuration of the 35mm theatrical release prints. The longest of them (reel 2) was 22:15 plus leaders - an unusually long single reel length by a minute or two, which due to the thinner polyester stock would've still fit comfortably on a 15" theater reel or a 7" Super 8 reel.

Since I did all that work, I think I'll add some details to the Fantasia 2000 review page where hopefully it will be of use to someone.

By the way, I'm amazed to see the Derann lists page linked above - almost like seeing an old friend, or the ghost of one.

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