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Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on December 12, 2012, 03:25 AM:

Hi,

Kodak has just released a press-release that the Ektachrome 100D will be axed in all formats. In other words: Kodak has stopped the production of all colour-reversal-films!

(The Vision3 50D will be available by Kodak in Super8-carts soon. But that doesn't help me as getting a print made by Andec is too expensive for most of my Super8-projects.)

Jörg

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 12, 2012, 03:35 AM:

I wonder what date though as its still advertised on the Kodak web site.

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/Color_Reversal_Films/5285.htm

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on December 12, 2012, 07:13 AM:

Hi,

the film is already out of production. Kodak stated that its remaining stock would last for approx. 3 months. After this date the film will of course still be available in various shops...

Another source for these sad news:
http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/neu/news2012.php#20121211-1
(Still no source with an English text though.)

Jörg

Posted by Jake Mayes (Member # 3292) on December 12, 2012, 08:17 AM:

oh my god... I have been worried about this since they axed their 35mm E6., i knew they probably stopped making it but did not want to believe Nice rush of adrenaline I have now [Frown]

WHY WHY WHY! Getting a print made by andec I do for some stuff, but for others i prefer to develop my own reversal due to cost! ugh... If i had the money I would stock up... Vision 50D is all well and good... but why axe reversal formats?! its not like there is not a market for them!

Sorry guys i had to vent, the velvia 50D is a fall back at triple the price i might as well shoot negative for the total cost... Although if it becomes the main it will drop in price I am sure.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on December 12, 2012, 08:35 AM:

Things change quickly these days:

-I haven't even finished shooting my first cartridge of 100D yet!

Posted by Juergen Lossau (Member # 359) on December 12, 2012, 08:49 AM:

Here is the official statement:
http://motion.kodak.com/motion/About/The_Storyboard/4294970514/index.htm

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 12, 2012, 09:10 AM:

Um.. How can they say ‘we remain committed to the Super 8 format’ when they are dropping reversal stock which used to be the foundation domestic product for them. Confused? I am.

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on December 12, 2012, 12:27 PM:

Unbelievable! I just started shooting super 8 again after many years. Just got my first four cartridges of Ektachrome 100D from Dwayne's a couple of days ago [Frown]

Posted by Jake Mayes (Member # 3292) on December 12, 2012, 02:07 PM:

I have been attempting to contact ADOX with regards to respooling velvia or other Fuji stocks, something that is viable for UK import, Gauge Film, whom i buy alot of my super 8 100D film off is going to look into other reversal stocks, for small buisnesses this is a low blow. But kodak gave us all another kick in the teeth by replacing it with a NEGATIVE FILM, super 8 already had two, i wanted Vision 3 50D on super-8, but to replace Ektachrome 100D with it!!!! Wrong! So getting Andec to make a positive print is my only other option! A big, gaping gap.

I am more concerned for the small businesses as well.

EDIT: I have also sent a personal email to Fuji's motion picture and photographic film department, hopefully they might consider stepping in and filling the void, even loading Velvia 100 and/or Provia 400X. V100 would be preferred as most cameras can meter for that effectively. I mentioned it also affected users of 16mm and regular 8 as well.

[ December 12, 2012, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: Jake Mayes ]

Posted by Jake Mayes (Member # 3292) on December 13, 2012, 06:24 AM:

Double post of me,
I contacted Fujifilm with regards to super-8 and respooling, they got back to me very quickly, with the following reply and recommendation:

-----------------------------------------
Hello Jacob

Thanks for your email. Unfortunately, Fujifilm left the Super 8mm market many years ago and sadly Fujifilm have now recently decided to leave the 16mm and 35mm market. We are no longer producing motion picture film in any format. Our factory closed in September. We are currently selling off all of our remaining stocks at low prices before we finally close our doors on 28th march 2013. All of our stock are available to buy online at: http://www.filmstockclearance.com/

In regards to your 8mm transparency re-cutting and re-spooling request. I have heard of a third party company who have been cutting down our 100ft lengths of 35mm Velvia and re-spooling for 8mm. It was badged in a box which very closely resembled our Fujifilm packaging. I can't remember the name of this product (you may already be aware of it), but your best option is to try The Wide Screen Centre in London as this is the place to go for all things 8mm: http://www.widescreen-centre.co.uk/Catalogue/Kodak_Super_8_Film.html

If you're looking for someone to cut down bigger film rolls and re-spool to 8mm for you, I know the guys at the film art collective, NO.W.HERE, and I'm sure they know someone who can offer this service. Try contacting James Holcombe there: james.holcombe@no-w-here.org.uk - web address is: http://www.no-w-here.org.uk/

Good luck in your search.

Kind Regards
Jerry

I have contacted my usual dealer about James Holcombe, but maybe we should all show interest and demand for an easily obtainable respooled product native to the UK and the likes. By showing we still demand an easily obtainable colour reversal film that most dealers can stock, makes it more likely we could have another affordable reversal option, and with more Fuji Reversal Film being bought for this purpose it would increase Fuji's Sales and help to ensure reversal film is still available for the time being.

Jacob

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 13, 2012, 07:41 AM:

Excellent work Jake!

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on December 13, 2012, 11:50 AM:

Im gutted with this news but I saw it coming sooner or later.

The pro's mainly use negative film, particularly 16mm negative, so this would be the last to be discontinued.

Graham S

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on December 13, 2012, 12:03 PM:

I was surprised to find Super-8 film was still available 12 years ago, and have appreciated every one of the dozens of cartridges I've exposed since I found that out. After I stopped making films in the early 90s the ideas still kept coming, and since I got the chance I actually got to make many of them reality.

-to every thing there is a season...

Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on December 13, 2012, 07:10 PM:

So this marks the end of yet another chapter in film history. How sad. Over the past 40 years I've enjoyed shooting Super 8 from time to time, but shooting negative? Not interested.

So Fuji's gone, Ektachrome is gone, and next to be gone will be the labs that do a lot of their business on E-6.

And then there's the dreaded 2013 "end of theatrical film" apocalypse. Funny how it's all happening together...

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on December 13, 2012, 07:31 PM:

Super 8 film making is now officially dead! [Frown]

Super 8 is now solely a film collectors medium.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on December 13, 2012, 08:31 PM:

There is still Tri-X, yet even for that it can't be forever.

I'm going to buy some film this week. I'm thinking 2013 will be the last year for me to make my own films. I may as well make it a good one.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on December 13, 2012, 09:06 PM:

The business in this city that was developing and mounting slides have just stopped doing it. There was not enough demand, as the chap that did this work told me, the chemicals need to be stirred etc, it takes a lot of looking after. I did look at the machine myself, thinking I might take it, and give it a go, however looking at size of this thing and whats involved it would be to much.

So thats the end of getting 35mm slides done in this city, only one place left that can do it and thats in the North Island. It makes me wonder how long before they stop as well.

Film in all its form seems to be slipping away very fast...sad really.

Graham.

Posted by Jake Mayes (Member # 3292) on December 14, 2012, 08:05 PM:

From what i have heard, wittner is going to be loading another 100D cartridge (Velvia 100 stock?) I need to set the record straight, not so much to guys on here but on many motion picture forums, that Fuji are still manufacturing still reversal at present, as many seem to think fuji have stopped making reversal alltogether. Their motion picture division is closed though. I shoot Velvia as a still film, and also process it. If velvia 100 is going to be used in S8 cartridges as well, then it will further increase demand for it, aiding Fuji to continue making it.

The loss of ektachrome 100D is sad, but we are living in an experience, that is why we are born and are here in the first place, to experience! and there are many more experiences to be had! One door closes but another always opens, although I did express my displeasure and was cheesed off for a day or two! Hopefully wittner's 100D stock will be a viable option for those who shoot colour reversal, myself included. Hopefully it can be well marketed as well, and stocked by our usual suppliers, as newcomers to super-8 usually want to project their results straight away.

I have also been trying to help the small business I buy from find alternatives and work out strategies now ektachrome 100D is gone, i do not want to see someone's lively hood sink! I always like to support small businesses, i have seen so many of them fall, one was a local shop i could get darkroom paper from, i always bought my paper there to support the business, but the council demanding 6 months rent upfront sunk the business and i bought their last pack of 5x7 paper. They sold filters, lenses and that sort of thing as well, and also many B/W films.

50D I can also make use of, for some applications... Wittner's 100D cartridge is promising because otherwise we would be limited to their velvia 50ASA, and the extra stop of speed is important to me for many applications, some shooting conditions I shoot in would fall apart with a single stop of speed loss on reversal. I shoot 500T negative in the event i am at a poorly-lit event, taking advantage of its great latitude, and have Andec make a positive print. I could not afford to do this on any large scale though. 50D I will use is extreme resolution is important.

If E100Ds replacement is not to anyone's taste, do put it out that Andec CAN make positive super 8 prints from negative, because many i spoke to seem to think it cannot be printed anymore until i mentioned Andec and its wet gate prints. Cost is the big problem here.

They cannot make super-8 internegatives from reversal positives though, they could do a 16mm one, at high price and make super-8 prints from that, i never knew until they mentioned it a super-8 print could be made from a 16mm negative affordably today! I wanted an internegative made of my 18th as a fall back. They cannot sound-stripe the prints, as they are on polyester stock... E.V.T magnetics when I spoke to them said they could attempt it, however. I spoke to them the day before kodak announced 100D's end!

Poor marketing is another thing that caused 100Ds demise, a stationmaster came up to me and said 'is that super-8?!' and i went 'yeah it is' and he said 'you can still buy the film?' and i got into an indepth conversation about it, and he was amazed as he thought it had long gone! Nearly missed my connecting train... Many thought the same way, and i got looks on the train with the camera. Many did not even know that negative even existed on super-8, i thought the opposite when i was younger like 6 or 7 thinking reversal did not exist,
'grandad where is the negatives for your super 8 film? so you can make more copies'
'no negatives, i sent the cartridge to kodak and they developed that'
'there has to be a negative for a positive how are you supposed to make more'
'It is 'reversal' jake' and got an indepth explanation, as all i knew at that time was negative -> positive process.

Reversal to me is magic because I can get my hands involved, negative involves weeks of waiting, and none of that satisfaction, although projecting the result is still fun and works well! I like to know that the film running through the projector, apart from the physical film itself was made by my hands! And cost!

I like super 8 as a story telling medium as well as a film collecting (and viewing) medium!

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on December 15, 2012, 07:05 PM:

I have just been reading the comments below the official statement that can be seen via Juergen's link. It's bewildering that Kodak mention limited demand in their statement, but you then see that retailers who want to put in massive orders (to stock up while they can) are unable to do so because Kodak manufactured the last batch before making the announcement.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on December 15, 2012, 09:43 PM:

Now, I have to make a decision wheter to stock up E100D as many as I can or leave it without any stock.

My question is with the end of E100D, what about the future of E6? Do the chemicals also come from Kodak or they can be purchased from open market?

I am just afraid when I am stocking up the E100D to find later that I cannot process it or if I can the price is going high.

Your opinion please.

Posted by Jake Mayes (Member # 3292) on December 16, 2012, 02:34 PM:

The chemicals can be bought from Tetenal, Fuji and a couple of other manufacturers, kodak have not made much E6 chemistry, they do make it but not much of the market is kodak's in that respect. Fuji still manufacture alot of reversal film, and so do a couple of companies in europe, so plenty of life in E6 yet! Most labs use the Fuji Chemistry

Jacob

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 19, 2012, 05:47 AM:

Just awaiting my latest filming back from lab land (not lap land) so getting rather excited. [Cool]

Posted by Jake Mayes (Member # 3292) on December 19, 2012, 08:46 AM:

Hope you enjoy it! Currently I have 8 100D carts in my fridge, and 5 64T ones. This should keep me going until kevin has managed to get some of wittner's stuff. He could not get a fresh order from kodak, the supplies have dried up! No demand my arse.

When ive got more money I am going to buy 2 process paid 100D carts from him to help support the business! He kindly asked only 2 per customer, he has about 60 in the fridge and wants everyone to get a fair chance to enjoy the last of the 100D. It was a nice stock! Velvia has a different colour palette!

Well at least there are other stocks to shoot on : - )

Jacob

Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on December 19, 2012, 12:22 PM:

I will miss 100D, I've been using it in both Super 8 and Regular 8mm for several years now. I just stocked up on 8 carts of Super 8 from B & H photo and six 100 foot reels of Regular 8mm from John Schwind. Now I have to convince my wife to make room in the freezer.

Posted by Patrick Tung (Member # 3046) on December 20, 2012, 12:22 PM:

I got to know the news a few days late. I called Kodak yesterday planning to purchase directly from them and found out that it is totally out of stock. The person over the phone told me that it was sold out by Kodak on the first day of the announcement! [Eek!]

It seems that the big companies have brought up all the stocks from Kodak. From the announcement, Kodak said that there will be fair distribution for people. However, I guess it may not be the case. Secondly, the announcement says that the film will last 3-4 months. Its been barely a week since the announcement and the whole world is facing shortage. I wonder if they doing a timed release of their film stock causing the shortage or the stock on hand is really that little. A say day to analog projection.

Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on December 20, 2012, 03:40 PM:

B&H photo says they are " Temporarily out of stock" and someone on Ebay is selling it for $75 per box!!! EKTACHROME 100D

It might be worth a call to John Schwind to see if he has any left. When I talked to him last week he said he was getting a lot of orders. Don't go by what it says on his web site, he still as 64T listed.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 21, 2012, 10:10 AM:

Just got my latest 100D efforts back from the lab and it’s a great shame this stock is going under as it looks so good.
Always exciting when a film comes back.

Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on December 22, 2012, 12:43 AM:

Bryan, it will be interesting to see if any of those carts actually get sold at that price. That's just gouging.

I wonder what the 64T carts in my freezer are worth now?

Posted by Patrick Tung (Member # 3046) on December 22, 2012, 11:45 AM:

Perhaps I came into the super 8 scene too late (only in May this year). I got myself a Eumig projector, a Nikon super 8 and a lomo tank to start my own quest in film making. and devloping. I am interested in only analog projection. So far I only shot 4 cartridges of 100D film and it is discontinued! I guess my items are now worth half as much. [Frown]

Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on December 22, 2012, 11:53 AM:

I am certain that Wittners will develop a new Super 8 film similar to 100D. Look at their website and you'll see. I don't think it's the end of our cine cameras yet!

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 16, 2013, 08:51 AM:

Life being what it is I forgot to order some 100D after the discontinuation was announced and when I got around to it all Kodak could say was "Sorry! Try B&H."

So I went on the B&H website and it said "Out of Stock: Backorder" It was a sad moment: I'd just started shooting film again and I hoped I had a little more time to do some final film projects. I registered with their backorder notification system, but I wasn’t hopeful.

However, At 11:00AM Monday I got an e-mail saying they had stock. At 11:17 I was on the site and ordered 7 cartridges. At 11:45 I went back in and they were stocked out again!

That’s the way it is these days…

For a while I thought it was a goof and I’d get another e-mail saying as much, but the 7 100Ds that were on the porch when I got home yesterday say otherwise.

Now the name of the game is using them, and using them well.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 16, 2013, 10:24 AM:

I am sad too to see disappear, but big LOL to those rush buying for the sake to make a profit.

Now we can see on Ebay people are selling an E100D for $49. Good luck for them but I have a limitation my self that everything beyond $20 is out of my budget and I will shot my home movies with video. I will not die just because I am using video, right? [Razz]

But I just sent 6 carts to be processed by Dwayne and their site does not mention about back order for E100D. So I order 10 carts if I get luck. The price is just the same like before $17 each (and the processing cost is the lowest I knew $12/each).

cheers

Posted by Jake Mayes (Member # 3292) on January 16, 2013, 10:31 AM:

I have about 9 in my fridge, 1 in my bag about to be shot, and 5 64T and a couple of ektachrome sound cartridges. In the UK £20 per cart has become the norm, and i plan to slowly buy them, like a squirrel with nuts, so i am not 'stocking up' just maintaining my current levels so if it comes when i need to use a couple of carts at once its not going to be too big of a problem. V50D is about the same price if i get it direct from wittner.

Posted by Mark Norton (Member # 165) on January 16, 2013, 10:48 AM:

I buy the V50D from Wittner in super 8 cartridges and get it processed at Blue Cine Tech.
V50D is now available in Single 8 cartridges again! Many other super 8 reversal stocks to choose from on Wittners website. Anyone tried that new Agfa stock?

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on January 16, 2013, 10:50 AM:

Just ordered somemore 100D but would also like to have a go at the Agfa to see whats what.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 16, 2013, 10:56 AM:

I am wary about becoming too stocked up, sooner or later processing will end.

This has happened to me before: when Kodachrome mailers weren't going to be honored after the end date, and when all Kodachrome processing was ended. Both times a couple of weeks of frenzied filmmaking resulted.

The bonus was in 2010 when the last run at Dwayne's was at hand I had my last K-40s all packed to travel and a huge snow storm knocked the shippers out of business two days before the deadline.

-not a happy feeling!

Posted by Jake Mayes (Member # 3292) on January 16, 2013, 10:58 AM:

i wanted to give the agfa and adox stock a try, but am short on cash at the moment. I process my own colour reversal, but B/W i get kevin at gaugefilm to do it as i do not shoot enough before the chemicals will spoil, and i am a tight one when it comes to getting the most from chemicals without image degradation. I use them to capacity.

E6 is much easier to do at home than kodachrome, and no light reversal steps were needed, kodachrome was too difficult without machinery, as the seperate colour light exposure steps had to be done through the emulsion side and and contact with the base side would ruin the image, at least i think. E6 i think will be doable at home for a while yet, and the formulas are doable at home and are widely published. Heck you can still process VNF at home if you add some benzyl alcohol to the mix.

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