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Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on February 04, 2013, 10:53 PM:

What is the significant difference between GS and ST models? Never really understood what the 'G' and 'S' stood for before each model #. I get that Elmos are pretty much the definitive units to own, but I must admit, it seems there's as many Cons as there are Pros for either.

Posted by Gerald Santana (Member # 2362) on February 05, 2013, 12:27 AM:

Hi Brad,

I never knew what GS or ST meant, ST perhaps is stereo_____?

I do know that Elmo is actually an acronym for: Electricity Light Machine Organization.

Check out their Wikipedia page, if you can navigate through the Japanese site maybe the answer is there...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmo_(company)

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on February 05, 2013, 01:27 AM:

While the ST has a dual track on it it is not a stereo machine

The ST1200 - has 150w lamp and is generally magnetic sound only (some rare models have both magnetic and optical). BUT most important is not stereo.

The GS1200 - has 200w lamp and are all magnetic and optical sound, and are all Stereo, plus they have a lot of other differences such as 4 motors to ensure a more even and steady projection. The GS has far superior recording capabilities - not always the biggest of importance these days, but I have been picking up a number of foreign films the re-record the sound in English..It also has a built in pulse sync..

Both ST's and GS's have smaller reel size models, that are less desirable because they have smaller lamps and less capabilities.

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on February 05, 2013, 02:53 AM:

My first ST1200 was both mag/opt bought about 76 or 77. The twin track version was mono if using the internal amp, but using the line out it could reproduce stereo.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on February 05, 2013, 03:00 AM:

GS =
Good Sound

Just an idea.

Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on February 05, 2013, 04:41 AM:

Yep, out of the box, the GS800 and GS1200 were stereo machines.

The ST600, ST800 and ST1200 were mono or twin-track, but could only produce mono sound (albeit a mix of both tracks).

As has been pointed out, the ST1200 for example can produce excellent stereo sound using an external amp, but the GS range were sold as the stereo-ready range.

Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on February 05, 2013, 05:58 AM:

The ST 600M (and its "metric" version, the ST180M),which is the two track magnetic version, also contains the IC and switching needed for the Magnetic/Optical version.
I successfully converted mine some years back to PLAY stereo movies via extra sockets connected to an external amplifier. It is also still able to play and record two track Mono... but cannot record Stereo.
However.... it is not a job for the faint-hearted, or for the amateur meddler. I had over 40 years of professional experience as a Audio and Visual Service engineer down to component level to draw on. One wrong move and the damage to a fine machine could have been irreversible!.
Martin

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on February 05, 2013, 06:07 AM:

I would say the most signifigent difference is about 800.00!

[ February 08, 2013, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Pasquale DAlessio ]

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on February 05, 2013, 06:12 AM:

Bob on Pat! [Wink]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on February 05, 2013, 07:29 AM:

quote:
GS =
Good Sound

..... And ST for STrong machine? [Confused]

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on February 05, 2013, 08:31 AM:

From what I've read in another post, GS=Grinding Sound

ST is probably Still Ticking

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on February 05, 2013, 09:11 AM:

Even funnier Vidar! They are the business however when running well has to be said.

Single drive motor on the ST is a bonus perhaps these days Brad.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on February 05, 2013, 09:42 AM:

I hope to get one of those GS's too someday ... How much different is the price of the Xenon model?

Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on February 05, 2013, 10:46 AM:

I definitely hope to get up enough spare $ some day to eventually invest in one, but the thought of spending several hundereds (perhaps $1,000) on a machine that would be minimum 40 years old is too much for me to wrap my brain around. Not to mention if it breaks down...Then what?! Into the bin it goes:(

Posted by Julian Baquero (Member # 2520) on February 05, 2013, 01:27 PM:

Has anybody been able to add optical sound to the ST magnetic sound series? I have an ST 1200 HD and would love to have optical sound. The GS1200 is a lovely machine, but it is really over priced, you don't get that much for a lot more of money, and it seems prices are going up.

Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on February 08, 2013, 02:44 PM:

Julian, fact is the GS 1200 has some features that only appeal to the "engaged" filmmaker ebthusiast (primarily): just think of the possibility to be crystal synced which opens up a wealth of possibility in terms of both post production and sound design.

For this reason the machine might give the impression of being a little over engineered with its 4 motors and stuff but at a closer look these are technical solutions meant to ensure the best performance it was designed for can actually be achieved. Right if one simply screens feature films every now and then, most pluses of this Elmo will appear somewhat useless and just prone to have the projector suffer from major breakdowns. Anyway a well cared for machine, used with sensibility, and with the proper upgrades discussed here so many times, will give you years of trouble-free operation. It's just you can't expect to get a GS 1200 right out of the box and have it perform flawlessly since the very first time, even if it had never been used before. In fact, due to its electronics, decades of non-usage are the worst condition for this machine: it has to be used, it has to be appreciated, it has to be... loved.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 08, 2013, 05:31 PM:

Oh now I understand why my GS 1200 keeps breaking down, Maurizio.
Not enough love!
Tonight I shall sleep with my GS cradled alongside me! [Big Grin]

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on February 08, 2013, 05:45 PM:

Paul

If you do that just be very careful of rewind! [Wink]

PatD

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 08, 2013, 06:02 PM:

I don't want to burst any bubbles here, but when I pay a lot of
money for a machine like the GS1200, i expect it to perform
flawlessly, no excuses.Projectors that were made in the 50's
still show film, no problems, no scratching, no replacing of parts
every time one expects a film show.I have a little Eumig p8 that
will still be capable of showing film, when the overblown GS's
have long since given up.An over rated piece of equipment that
isn't really that good at what it is made to do.The ST's are far
more reliable, and give better opt. snd. GS could mean Goodat
Scratching.

Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on February 08, 2013, 07:00 PM:

Again: with proper care and upgrades a GS 1200 won't scratch a single inch of film. True it is Elmo could've used better plastics for the film guides or studied a way to avoid the chance of scratches, but it can be definitely fixed. And for good. More to it; it's not possible to compare a projector from the 40's-50's to the GS 1200: electronics may fail but as I stated, unused electronics will be in worse conditions after all these years as opposed to a machine that is mechanics only. An Elmo GS 1200 costs a lot and has to, if it's been checked and overhauled/refurbished by people who know how to do it. A machine that has been sitting in a closet for decades is worth about half what is worth a well mantained machine, if at all. As for "love" of course it was a figure of speech.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 08, 2013, 08:23 PM:

Maurizio, with all respect, a projector made for much less, has
had more film through it than TWO GS's I have owned, and hasn't
been a bit of trouble,neither has it marked any film, the old
Eumig S709.Maybe the Austrians know something the Japanese
don't, longevity.Also, you don't know your GS has marked the
film until it's viewed again, by that time, how many films are damaged,not all wear is visible and however meticulous you clean
it, the machine will still damage, there are at least two points below the gate where this can happen.It's general design is
inferior to the ST1200 that even with the tracks is still more reliable.

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on February 08, 2013, 09:15 PM:

Hugh,

I have to disagree. I've had terrible scratches caused by an ST, and I've had three Eumig's that gave up the ghost. I feel safer running my prints through my GS more than any other projector, with the Bauer 610 coming in a close second.

Doug

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on February 09, 2013, 12:00 AM:

With the GS1200 once you have got it up to scratch, wait, thats dosen't sound right [Roll Eyes]

with all the known mods etc it should be ok. The GS1200 for all its failings is still a good projector to own, as with so much of this stuff, its really 70s technology and much depends how its been looked after over the last thirty plus years.

Graham

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on February 09, 2013, 02:09 AM:

I bought my GS 1200 from Ian at Perry's in 1997 and I have never had any problems with it, I have had the recording capacitors upgraded and before I bought it, it had had the film path upgraded the Wilton/Locke way, so it has never scratched any of my films.

As Maurizio says, if it has the few, known upgrades done, is a good amchine to start with and is used sensibly, it shouldn't give you any problems.

If all else fails, get a Sankyo Stereo 800, a far superior projector in my view [Wink]

.

Mike

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 09, 2013, 04:17 AM:

Time will tell guys, no other projector on this forum commands the amount of space with problems associated with this machine.
Indeed it must be neck and neck with the Star Wars themes.

Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on February 09, 2013, 07:45 AM:

The most dangerous parts in the film path of the GS are located on top of the gate. As for the other ones located below it, regular inspection inspection is what will save you day.

As for durability of Eumig: I own 1x 804, 1x 824, 2x 926, 2x 938 and 1x 932; all of these have their own pro's and con's but most of them have a far less resilient alloy which the film gate is made of: the soundtracks tend to leave a mark after a few dozens of hours' use, whereas the same component on my 3 GS 1200 still don't show the least sign of wear; let alone a comparison between sound heads: the durabilty of the Elmo's heads is at least four time longer. And of course the more features a machine has, the easier there might be something that goes wrong; but all flaws can be fixed for good and then GS will outlast all of its competitors. As for the Sankyo Stereo 800, it is a wonderful machine in its league; if it had the same capabilities of the GS in terms of speed control/regulation, it would prollu be a somewhat "better" machine...

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 09, 2013, 10:19 AM:

Maurizio, there are the head pressers (four of them) that can and
will mark film, as they encroach on the picture area if the hole in
the metal plate isn't enlarged.The black plastic "snubber" that
should have been a rubber "jockey" will eventually wear and mark
film, as will the lower sprocket retainer.That is why i have a dislike
of this projector, as the saying goes "All fur coat and no knickers"
meaning all show.The STs ( ST stands for "Still Trouble" ) have the
same problems with the track, but are more robust regarding
motor etc.Too much emphasis on ancillaries and not enough on
film care, which is a serious defect in projectors.Unfortunately
the firm that carried all the spares, Vivitar, destroyed them rather than sell them on,so modernisations are the order of the
day.Something I have never had to do with any other make of projector..

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on February 09, 2013, 12:56 PM:

quote:
... but when I pay a lot of
money for a machine like the GS1200, i expect it to perform
flawlessly, no excuses.

I totally agree, Hugh. It never ceases to astound me, the fact that people will pay £700, or such, for one of these in this day and age.
I do understand that they are superior machines in many respects, and probably represented the ultimate in film projection back in the day, but, for the intents and purposes of the amateur hobbyist today, there are far less expensive machines available which are more than adequate, as far as I can see.

I agree with Mike Peckham - the Sankyo Stereo 800, is a beautiful machine, with many of the sound bells and whistles likely to be needed by the collector, at a much more reasonable price - AND it is reliable!!

Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on February 10, 2013, 09:11 AM:

Sound head pressers and plastic "snubber" can be re-profiled if necessary. Same for the lower sprocket film guide, where you can reshape the worn-out elements. I agree with you, some details might have been made better engineered and built but again, they can be cared for and be fixed. Once done, what you get is an excellent performer with all that a filmmaker (who may have different needs as opposed to a collector) wants.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 10, 2013, 02:29 PM:

You would have thought that Elmo would have run a ton of film through their first fewc GS1200's before putting it into full production. So either the prototype did not scratch film, or it did, and Elmo chose to ignore the problem.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 10, 2013, 02:42 PM:

I would have thought so too Paul,I take the point that Maurizio
is making, and I can appreciate the love he has for this particular
machine,but the fact remains that for anyone not "in the know"
about Elmo's,can screen their entire collection unaware that
untold damage has been done, until the next time they screen them.Modifying after the event is little consolation when valuable
filmstock, costing many hundreds of pounds, has been ruined.
That is why I firmly believe that any projector that has the history of scratching that the Elmo's have, is a serious risk to
the film collector.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 10, 2013, 03:32 PM:

I won't address a range of GS pros and cons, but I suspect that part of the reason why they come up more often than the average projector here could be simply that a lot of members own them! It may be that a relatively high proportion of us sometimes use Super 8 in public shows. Personally, I feel that if you're doing a show in a hall with a screen around 5-6 foot wide, you need a projector with a 200 watt lamp if you're not using a Xenon. I once used a GS with the 1.2 long throw lens and that was too dim, so I since had a 2 bladed shutter installed and now it's OK. So anyone who agrees that 200 watt lamp is essential in such situations has a very narrow choice of projectors. If you additionally want stereo and optical, that will also increase your chances of going for a GS.

Brad mentioned 40 year old machines but the GS doesn't go back to 1973. If you buy a version 3, you may have a projector that's 'only' 25 years old!

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on February 10, 2013, 04:33 PM:

Just out of interest, a question for those of you who are already long-term owners of a GS1200 - if you didn't own one, would you pay big money for one now?

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on February 10, 2013, 05:25 PM:

Yes.

Doug

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on February 10, 2013, 05:34 PM:

Good point Hugh!

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 10, 2013, 06:29 PM:

Yes, within reason, so long as it was one that had only had fairly light use. You're still paying far less than a new one would have cost in the late 1980s.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 10, 2013, 06:47 PM:

In answer to Michael's question of would I purchase one now, I'm
afraid the answer would be no.I would much rather put the money
to a Fumeo.I have a GS now, one that I was given,have modified
and still do not fully trust, maybe that's just me, but I have no
qualms about the Fumeo damaging a print, and for public shows
it is capable of more light on screen.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 10, 2013, 07:23 PM:

Hugh - I'd have an open mind regarding a Fumeo, but isn't it true to say that there are far less in circulation? If I wanted to track down a little-used 200 watt model, I'd fear that it would take me a very long time, if I ever managed it. In fact I've never even seen one in use.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 10, 2013, 07:50 PM:

Take it from me Adrian,the Fumeo is a world away from Elmo.
When the film is threaded up, and that heavy gate closes with a solid "clunk", you know your film is in the care of a class act, and
it comes out the other end exactly as it was put in.Not a lot of
use to anyone that wants to re record tracks ( unless you have a
model that can ) but for the average collector that wants to show
film outside the home or just be safe in the knowledge that film
won't be spoiled, it is worth having one.It is much akin to using
a good 16mm machine.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 10, 2013, 07:57 PM:

I have to agree with Adrian on the light issue. My 3 bladed 150 watt Eumig 938 wont really hack a 6 foot wide matt white screen for public shows, even with an f1.0 lens fitted. The 200 watt GS, fitted with a 2 blade shutter and the f1.0 Elmo lens, can produce a nice bright picture 6ft wide. So if it comes down to light output - the GS rules.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 10, 2013, 09:22 PM:

I love these threads! Yes I would buy another GS1200 again if I had to. Its the one machine I keep coming back to. I have used the Fumeo 9119 and I disagree that its a world away from the GS. It does have a great threading system but the rest of the machine is just clunky. It reminds me of an old very basic car with no frills. It would be the perfect projector for checking prints which I think it was used for in the past with some companies.
But if you want to maximize your Super 8 Screenings the GS is worlds away from the Fumeo I feel. Bright picture with choices of different lenses, great STEREO sound, the ability to Pulse Sync, ability to record, and something that is really cool is the great design. Yes it can have problems but the more features anything has, the more problems it could potentially have. That is the trade off.
Here is an interesting fact: If you want to adjust the Optical lamp on the Fumeo you have to break the "glue" that holds it into place. Then when you replace the lamp you have to "glue" it back into place. Now that is strange.
I had the Fumeo but did not love it and moved it on. If your priority is keeping your films clean and scratch free I agree it would be the best choice. But I will keep playing the prints with an occasional scratch here and there till I will my collection to the next owner! [Smile]

And enjoy what I feel is one of the best presentation machines every built. If Super 8 would have continued I am sure the GS1200 would have been eventually scratch free. And maybe the Fumeo would have had Stereo Sound and Pulse sync. [Smile]

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 10, 2013, 10:07 PM:

That isn't true Alan,adjusting the opt lamp is done by adjustment of screws to align it to the lens. Replacement, then the lamp is
glued in, I have had my machine nearly 20 years and never have had to perform this operation.As for light transmission, the Fumeo leaves the GS in the land of the paraffin lamp,it is very much brighter, thats why so many collectors have had to have the
alteration of the two bladed shutter, Yes the machine is heavy,
so is the GS, I don't need the so called extras, just a projector that will keep my prints safe and show them at their best for
many years to come.Notice how there are no threads on Fumeo
projectors, because there is little to go wrong.These machines are made to give long service, and do,which in the time we are
now, is even more important.Interesting to note that the dealers could identify prints that had been shown on Elmo's by the marks that were common to them.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 10, 2013, 11:31 PM:

Yes you are correct that is for the replacement of the optical lamp. I believe the Fumeo 9119 had the 2 blade shutter and thats why the picture was brighter. But you are then limited to 24fps or you get flicker at 18.
The best solution for light would be the Beaulieu 708 with 2 bladed shutter if you don't want to go the Xenon route. The 150 watt lamp was much brighter than the GS1200.
I re-record my films into Stereo and I have to say the difference to me is dramatic. For me that is what makes 1/2 the joy of watching the film. I remember seeing "Fantasia" at Keith Wilton's place and he had it going through his sound system. GS1200 Xenon. The sound was beautiful and his set up was truly state of the art.
There is no projector ever made that is scratch free. Even when you go to the cinema (before digital projection) we would see lines, splices, etc.
But if I had my choice of projector, my ultimate projector, I would sneak into Ignacio from Spain's home and hire a truck and "borrow" his Fumeo 9145 Stereo/Optical machine! That is probably the BEST Super 8 Machine ever made, built to order, robust, maybe 99% scratch free, and maybe the only one in existence.
But of course living in NYC I would have to get a new apt. No room for that beast. I agree that the Fumeo is a great machine!
And I did have a GS1200 at one point put a nasty green scratch down my "Destroy all Monsters" print. Wasn't happy about that!
I think the reason why you don't hear too much about Fumeo's is that not many people who post on these boards have them. The only one I can recall was Alan Gouger had one. He thought it was much better than the GS1200 and the Beaulieu.
He said he only wished that it had stereo sound!

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on February 11, 2013, 12:03 AM:

Alan - first off thanks for the capacitors..I am going to pick up a precision soldering iron and install very soon...

My question about the Fumeo's are cost...In addition to its scarcity, isn't a fumeo going to be around 3 times the cost of a GS these days? I finally picked up a GS simply for the light output, since I want my smaller gauged films to be as close in brightness with my 16mm as possible, without having to go to an unjustifiable cost like a xenon.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on February 11, 2013, 12:23 AM:

I bought my original GS1200 in the mid 1990s for $1500 dollars and its still my main Super8 projector.

Would I pay that kind of money now [Roll Eyes]

...no...around $700 to $800 thats all I think its worth, but in saying that, I wont ever part with it [Big Grin]

Regarding the 200 watt lamp, keep away from the EJL 200 watt they are a dull in the GS. The proper ESC if you can get one is the way to go, however they cost more and have a short life.

Graham.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 11, 2013, 12:44 AM:

Hi Dino,
Glad you got the little caps!
The Fumeo 9119's are going for around $700-1400 these days. The market is soft so they are not going for that much. But the other drag is that I have never seen one for the US market. So if you are going to use it in the US you need that step up transformer.
When mine arrived it was not working properly. The sound wasn't right and also there was a big screw missing that held the flywheel in place. I couldn't understand why the sound had so much wow. Then I figured it out that the flywheel was not turning but dragging. I installed a scew and all was well. Then the sound was muffled. I then took a screwdriver and realigned the heads. It was good then.
But the optical never sounded right. I tried to adjust it but the screw was glued into place and now i remember. The glue had to be broken, the optical set, and then reglued. Maybe the other Fumeos were better but I was not impressed with the 9119.
The best thing about the machine is the manual threading. It really has such a precision about it and the construction is first rate. You do get the feeling that the machine will never scratch your film because the film path is all metal/steel.
After experiencing that Fumeo I wouldn't get another 9119. Maybe a 9139?
Fumeos are pretty scarce!

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on February 11, 2013, 04:19 AM:

Hi Alan, it sounds like someone had been "tinkering" with your
machine.The screws on the opt.exciter are free to adjust in whatever direction, up down, sideways & back & forth,the only
glue is a weak one to hold the exciter in position.The sound is
again, as one would expect excellent, the flywheel weighs in at over 1.2 Kg, so is on a par with any 16mm projector. The mag soundhead can be adjusted too.It even has a "presence" filter that can be used if the speech on a film is unintelligible (as in so many modern films) it gives extra top note.The shutter is three
bladed,as I understand is angled for greater light transmission
and no flicker at 18 fps.The amp is 25 watts and a spool
capacity of 2500 feet.The only thing I have had to alter, is the
speed change bracket that just moves the belt, it was catching
and wearing belts, so was removed.Speed change when required is done by a flick of a pencil.These machines were built to order, and also stereo machines with recording were made.
The Italians always had an eye for style, and this projector does not let them down.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 11, 2013, 05:26 AM:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! I think the Beaulieu gets the design for best looking projector. Oo la la!

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 11, 2013, 10:26 AM:

So, Fumeo enthusiasts, for those of us who never seem to see them, let alone have a chance to buy one, what is the ultimate model to look out for - the 9139? And is the projector in question manual threading, 2 track or stereo, and 200 watt lamp? And what reel capacity?

Rik - I'm intrigued about the 9145. Was this a 9139 with customer-requested enhancements? And they actually considered it a new model in view of the number?

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 11, 2013, 12:04 PM:

The base models of the Fumeo Super 8 were the 9119's. Mono, mag/optical, playback only.

The 9120 is the recording version of the 9119.
9125,9129,9131 were all telecine models.
The 9139 is the 9119 with the Marc 300 lamp. 9140 is the recording version of this model.
9143 model is the HTI version of the 9139.
And last but not least, the beast.
The 9145. Completely different design, made to stay in one spot, 500 watt xenon lamp. And Mono unless requested otherwise.
I have only seen one for sale in 10 years. And it was pickup only! And it was mono. Listed on Ebay Italy I think.

The 9119 is the one most commonly available.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on February 11, 2013, 01:25 PM:

Well, I would have to say that the GS has the 9119 beaten in the looks department.
[Smile]

That Fumeo 9145 looks the business though.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 11, 2013, 01:36 PM:

I agree, Michael, they are both very solid looking professional machines. As far as looks go, however, I rate many projectors above the GS. IMO the Beaulieu is one of the most beautiful designs of any projector, and the Heurtier's rank right up there as well. But heck, ANY projector looks beautiful to me! [Smile]

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 11, 2013, 01:46 PM:

The first projector where I loved just the look of was the Eumig S926GL. I saw the audio panel and wanted it so bad! It was in a Sears Catalog. The 2nd was the Elmo ST1200. Than the GS. And then the Beaulieu!
Like the Bauer T610 too.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 11, 2013, 02:09 PM:

The ugliest projector I have ever seen was the Fumeo prototype by Classic Home Cinema. That thing as a real dog to look at!

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on February 11, 2013, 02:21 PM:

The Beaulieus do look very nice and I would like to own one of those.
The Heurtiers also look good but, from what I've heard, very unkind to film.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 11, 2013, 05:46 PM:

Thanks, Alan, for the insight. That Fumeo 2145 is astonishing, it's almost like a scaled down 35mm projector. I'm glad it exists but I wonder what the rationale for creating it was, unless they has a few orders from institutions that occasionally have to show S8 on a big screen.

[ February 12, 2013, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 11, 2013, 06:38 PM:

Maybe they just wanted to create the best Super 8 Projector ever made. I think they succeeded!

http://www.ibcinema.com/ib2006/super8/Xenon.pdf

I think I read they cost around 8-10,000 US when new? And that was in the early 90's!
Here is a cool manual before the 9145 was created:

http://www.superotto.eu/download/Fumeo_Super8.pdf

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