8mm Forum: Keystone K-108 Problem

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Posted by Josh Slaughter (Member # 3776) on June 17, 2013, 10:29 AM:

First post about my first projector. I have an 8mm camera and finally acquired some film for it. So I bought a K-108 for a song, of course the guy represented it as working, but turned it on and had a fire almost immediately. I didn't come with a manual so I'm kind of vague on the part names so I'll describe them by location. The fire started in the casing to the immediate right of the lens if you are looking from the front. I removed the plate and not a whole lot of fire damage, just a little charred. Also a little smoke came up from the secondary light on the bottom left, but only when in the motor on position. My wife said their were orange flames for a brief moment, I can take a picture of the inside of the panel when I get home from work and post it if need be. Here is a link to a photo illustration on my facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543663218567&set=a.543663213577.1073741824.117600140&type=3&theater

So my question is several fold

1. Is it possible that I just overloaded it using 1947-51 technology in 2013 sockets.
2. Do I just need to oil something to possibly get rid of the fire problem.
3. Is their still anyone in Kansas City that repairs/looks at these machines, I know ESO-S used too, but don't think they are open anymore.

More background info: Lamp came on, but due to fire had to shut it down pretty quick. I'm a 28 year old who loves the classic feel and the sound, I also restore old radio because I love the sound of the tubes humming. Taken me a while to figure things out because it's tougher when you have absolutely no frame of reference. I'm willing to tinker with things, but try to avoid lighting myself on fire and electrocution.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on June 17, 2013, 05:57 PM:

Hi Josh and welcome to the forum. I have a K-109 which is almost identical to the K-108. I have a PDF copy of the K-109 User Manual if you would like it...just PM me with your email address.

These projectors need to be oiled in strategic locations. The manual will tell you where to add the oil and in the close up pic below you will see a couple of the oil holes marked in red. I'm not sure any lack of oil would have caused such a instantaneous fire...but it's possible if it was very dusty inside and a spark ignited it. Your discription indicated the flames came from the supply and takeup reel area to the right of the lens...however the motor is just on the other side which could also have caused the fire. There's really no way to determine the cause....old uninsulated wiring or sparks from frictions...unless you take the covers and housings apart.

[ June 18, 2013, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Janice Glesser ]

Posted by Josh Slaughter (Member # 3776) on June 18, 2013, 12:35 PM:

I PM'd you, it actually was a little farther left in the motor area, in the 108 it has six holes on yours it looks like it has longer shaped holes. Any ideas there, the manual might help a lot though.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on June 18, 2013, 10:45 PM:

The K-109 has 4 oil holes. I think they just look more elongated in the photo because of the red paint..but they are round holes.

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on June 19, 2013, 01:43 AM:

WELCOME TO THE FORUM JOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Eek!]

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