|
Author
|
Topic: EDITING ADVICE: Sound and picture with not quite the equip I'm used to!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
James N. Savage 3
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1375
From: Washington, DC
Registered: Jul 2003
|
posted February 19, 2014 01:33 PM
Hi Roger-
I have never gone to film school, but I've done films like what you describe. The last one I did was about 3 years ago (and I'm itching to do one again ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ).
My method is quite primitive, but with patience, produces great results!
First, I shoot the film, and use a standard cassette tape deck to record dialog, and some ambient sounds (when dialog is needed).
After the film is processed, I check the prints and send to be sound striped.
Next, I edit the film using a small projector, a tape splicer, and a magnifying glass (yes, really).
And, finally, I transfer/record the sound from the cassette to the film. I also add music, and sometimes high-quality sound effects (for things like storms or beaches, etc.)
Note: It really helps to have a projector that mix and fade the sound, etc. I use a Sankyo st800 for this.
It takes forever, but at the end of the day, the results are fantastic, and my viewing audience NEVER suspects the pain I had to go through to produce the short ten minute film!
Well, thats my method. Please don't judge me, I couldn't afford film school ![[Cool]](cool.gif) .
James
| IP: Logged
|
|
Maurizio Di Cintio
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 977
From: Ortona, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004
|
posted February 19, 2014 01:53 PM
I used to do the same as James described. Now IF your enjoyment is "process-oriented" rather than final result-oriented, that is to say if you feel it more rewarding when it comes to fidget with timings, cables, plugs, forward-stop-reverse-go operations and all that comes with that, I think you can stick to what he suggested. But if what you really are after is enjoy the completed project, then in my opinion there's nothing better than editing the soundtrack (just that!) on an NLE system, provided you have access to a quartz-sync projector to capture the images on the system and transfer the final mix onto the magstripe. The results are really stunning and "professional" with perfect transitions, perfect sound mix, multiple tracks (virtually endless) and the possibility to correct any afterthoughts without stress on film or projector. Just the way to go in the 21st century.... Please do not get me wrong: I still enjoy using scissors and cement to edit the "pix". But soundesign can be really difficult at times especially if you are working on a challenging project.
--------------------
Maurizio
| IP: Logged
|
|
Roger Faires
Film Handler
Posts: 31
From: Portland, OR, USA
Registered: Feb 2014
|
posted February 19, 2014 05:38 PM
Hello and Come Stai - James and Maurizio!
Thanks for weighing in on this too.
Just a laughing aside - my film school was 3 or 4 weeks at Sacramento State University until I realized I couldn't afford to miss anymore shifts at work so I had to leave before the official start of our assignment. Then, not wanting to be prevented from making a film by the pesky reality of not being in film school I cozied up to the AV guy there (or lied - I can't remember) and borrowed equipment and snuck into the classroom where the editing equip was in the evening. I know, I know . . not very classy, in fact lowbrow . . but there you have it.
OK, contemplating all three of your replies. I know what you mean about sound Maurizio. Getting sound right with the quality and complexity is almost hard enough in the digital world let alone the limitations of the tiny mag stripes and splicing and mixing. Like I said, my last film is noisy and a little uneven to say the least.
I do have a very good Elmo ST 1200 HD projector so recording sound onto that should be about as good as projector based recording can be.
But, none of you laughed or scoffed when I posted about adding mag stripes to the film so obviously someone out there is still doing that. Who does it and who does it well? The last one I had done was in the mid 80's and the man who did it was already at least 78 or 80 himself. It looked a little uneven on the film stock.
Anyway, I think I will try the first one back using all analog approach and if that comes out bad I will try the NLE for sound approach.
Last question: Is the Goko 8008 for editing/viewing and an Agfa F8s for splicing a good combo for that end of things? Would the Goko be better for adding sound then the Elmo ST1200 projector?
Thanks and all the best you guys and we'll talk soon! So to speak.
Roger
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
Printer-friendly view of this topic
