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Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on June 16, 2015, 03:02 PM:
Anyone know why the value of Laurel and Hardy films has dropped so drastically? I see what they are selling for now on eBay and I cringe at what I paid for them 15 - 20 years ago. The price in today's dollars is less than when new in 1970's dollars.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on June 16, 2015, 03:24 PM:
The only reason i can think of is that some,(not all) of the titles are in such an abundant supply. Most of the remaining dealers always have a very good selection of titles. There not rare enough at the moment to hold up any value.(i guess).
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on June 16, 2015, 03:28 PM:
That's the joy of collecting Laurel and Hardy: when you get in the mood for one you usually don't have to wait very long!
Joe?
Has anybody mentioned CineSea to you?
-as a New Jersey film collector you really should know about it.
(Get on the Garden State Parkway and head for a weekend of film!)
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 16, 2015, 03:37 PM:
The L&H films aren't always in-demand, per se - Point is, fluctuates as does most markets - The seldom-seen titles;
UNACCUSTOMED AS WE ARE, BATTLE OF THE CENTURY (Partially restored), and the Vitaphone Scored-Silents, these always command a premium - Back when, I was getting the silents
for $10-$20 on average, and occasionally the talkies for
near-same or to $25 - They are rare, with the boxes, and
darn-near mint (my own designation) - Shorty
Posted by Robert Crewdson (Member # 3790) on June 16, 2015, 03:40 PM:
Unacustomed as we are was one of a few L&H films that were released originally in both silent and sound versions, as sound was just coming in. I have the silent version.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on June 16, 2015, 04:21 PM:
we now have 27 laural and hardys, always puts a smile on our faces. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 16, 2015, 06:00 PM:
Sent you a recent inbox Tom. Hopefully this will be of interest to you when you read it.
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on June 16, 2015, 08:24 PM:
Steve,
I've seen some posts here about CineSea. Looks interesting.
A 16mm Blackhawk print of BE BIG sold for $36 today on eBay. I paid more than that for my Super 8 print almost 20 years ago.
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 17, 2015, 05:46 AM:
Again, BE BIG is one of the rarer titles, not the greatest seller either, hence cost is more - Sometimes it all depends on who you're dealing with
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on June 17, 2015, 08:00 AM:
So the less popular films that didn't sell that well became the rarer films that now demand a higher price?
This is different from car collecting. Often the rarer cars were the ones with the ugly colors and undesirable options (small engine in a big car, for example). Nobody wanted them then and it has stayed that way.
I guess the difference comes when you are trying to get every film in a series.
-almost nobody collects every car in a model range.
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on June 17, 2015, 02:29 PM:
So shouldn't BE BIG have gone for a lot more than $36 in 16mm?
If the prices continue to plummet, my films are going in the box with me -- I'll put that in my will! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 18, 2015, 02:15 PM:
Shorty is quite correct. Due to ebay, (with all of it's good and bad points), the super 8 market has been absolutely FLOODED with laurel and hardy's, Chaplin's ect. and brought down the prices, which is good and bad.
Good in the sense that I was recently able to buy a super 8 sound 600ft print of "The Music Box" for 14.95 and it's an excellent print, and bad for those that have great Blackhawk collections, but are getting almost pennies on the dollar for they're investment of years gone by.
Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on June 19, 2015, 05:07 AM:
Do these people live in the 'reel' world??...
web page Super 8 Silent
Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on June 19, 2015, 06:05 AM:
Not quite "vladimpaler68" prices though. Seen this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/it m/SUPER-8mm-Film-UN-CHIEN-ANDALOU-SALVADOR-DALI-LUIS-BUNUEL-B-W-SILENT-/221792790367?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a3e1675f
I'm not interested - I have a copy.
Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on June 19, 2015, 06:12 AM:
I know his prices are ludicrous example 400ft 'Devil Rides Out' £75, I bet he got it for tenner...Going off topic sorry...But this is the best with damaged stripe...
web page Million Years BC
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 19, 2015, 07:27 AM:
Films, like comic books, gum cards, certain books, LPs and related in-box toys, model kits, are all investments - There is a market (book) on almost all of it, except motion picture film - I can think of 3 reasons, but won't go into all of that right now (come down to Wildwood and we'll talk it over) - Importantly, ALL films, in ANY gauge are now rare - With some exceptions, what we have is what we got - Common titles, such as TWO TARS, BIG USINESS, BUSY BODIES, always round-out to the $20 range, more or less - Preferred ones, like UNACCUSTOMED and BLOTTO, score a premium - Like stock, what is popular, naturally goes higher - Again, depends on the colletor/dealer, whcih is my strongest reason for "live" shows, once you are one-on-one with someone, holding the item, talking and all, a satisfactory conclusion can only arrive - Nothing against EBAY, I've picked up many novelties there - But I digress, You get what you pay for, and no matter how far technology takes us, collectors will always beat a path to your door if you have what they want - Film is a nice investment, for yourself and others, think on that - Shorty
Posted by Timothy Ramzyk (Member # 718) on June 26, 2015, 12:08 AM:
I notice that prices dip when credible DVD and Blu-ray sets get released. The Vevendi Entertainment L&H set had a definite effect on both the supply and price of L&H reels, as did the restored Chaplin Blu-rays.
By contrast, the OUR GANG shorts still fetch more because there has yet to be a truly decent disk release of their shorts.
I also think it's true that as time goes on, those that want certain titles on film get them, so the overall demand goes down as unwanted prints reach the hands of those who still needed them.
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 26, 2015, 10:15 AM:
Similar pattern with the introduction of VHS, as many recall, collectors dumped their film in favor of the tape, much to their later regret - No matter how far technology takes us, there will always be the want for where it started; motion picture film - Shorty
Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on June 26, 2015, 11:52 AM:
Steve
Talking Vladimpaler - how about this one!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9-5mm-Film-FRITZ-LANG-METROPOLIS-1926-B-W-SILENT-5-X-300FT-/221808420451?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a4cfe663
Posted by Timothy Ramzyk (Member # 718) on June 27, 2015, 01:39 AM:
quote:
Similar pattern with the introduction of VHS, as many recall, collectors dumped their film in favor of the tape, much to their later regret - No matter how far technology takes us, there will always be the want for where it started; motion picture film - Shorty
I never went for VHS, I stayed with the film. Then I bought laserdisc and films side by side. However, I have to admit, tho I still have a great fondness for film and always will, the "golden age" of movie collecting is on Blu-ray right now for me.
It's given me the never dreamed of chance to see 35mm theatrical quality on my living-room projection screen, all in its proper aspect ratio for roughly $18 a feature. People have no idea how spoiled they are. Collecting film is what still keeps me in awe of what we have at our disposal right now.
I suppose the truth is that owning appreciable copies of films from the past has somewhat lost it's novelty to all but the staunch cinefile.
By the way that 9.5 of METROPOLIS looks very nifty, but £3000 ?! Surely they jest?
Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on June 27, 2015, 04:54 AM:
Well he does have the Collector's Club standard 8 9x200 ft version up for "only" £175.
Looking through his "Shop" he has a 16mm copy of the John Cleese training film "Who sold you this then?" with the warning not to be used for training for £75.
Does he actually sell many films, I wonder?
Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on June 27, 2015, 05:09 AM:
Terry, I think he's a 'Chancer',in hope that there may be some fool with more money and nothing to spend it on...I don't think he sales any of the films, the list always seems the same...I think if I were to pay his prices, My other half would impale me...
Posted by Thomas Smith (Member # 1889) on June 27, 2015, 08:37 AM:
This seller has blocked me from bidding on his films
I only asked why he is charging so much for common titles
With regards laurel & hardy (Early to Bed) and (they go Boom)
These two titles seem fairly hard to find
Posted by Timothy Ramzyk (Member # 718) on June 27, 2015, 09:02 AM:
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Terry, I think he's a 'Chancer',in hope that there may be some fool with more money and nothing to spend it on...I don't think he sales any of the films, the list always seems the same...I think if I were to pay his prices, My other half would impale me...
That's such a fanciful notion, but I know every venue of collecting has these guys. I just wonder if they actually sell anything. After all, I doubt there are many novice 9.5 collectors. If they know enough to own the format, they know enough not to pay close to five grand for a well heeled abridgment of METROPOLIS.
I must admit, as far as home prints go, that one looks a hell of a lot better than my Griggs Moviedrome Super 8 did. With the burned-in subtitles, it can't be first generation, but even from those blow-ups, it looks tight.
How long does a 300ft reel of 9.5 run?
Posted by Terry Sills (Member # 3309) on June 27, 2015, 01:01 PM:
300ft of 9.5 film would be roughly 10mins. But I'm sure others could give you the exact run time.
Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on June 27, 2015, 01:20 PM:
Well looking at the E-Bayers he has bought from, most have sold super 8 films at very low to mid prices,I think the 4 x 400 of 'Lust for a Vampire' went in a bundle about six weeks ago, it's now £175...
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on June 27, 2015, 08:36 PM:
quote:
Similar pattern with the introduction of VHS, as many recall, collectors dumped their film in favor of the tape, much to their later regret - No matter how far technology takes us, there will always be the want for where it started; motion picture film - Shorty
I agree. There's something special about screening a film. I still have VHS and DVDs -- the same way I have vinyl, tapes, CDs, and mp3s for music. Similarly, there's something special and more involving about playing a vinyl record on a good turntable.
With the L&H films, sadly I think that the fans are passing away at a faster rate than new fans are being created, particularly those who want to collect on film.
Posted by Timothy Ramzyk (Member # 718) on June 28, 2015, 01:31 AM:
Laurel & Hardy have also had the misfortune of having been owned by rights-holders (Halmark & RHI) who have had little interest in their welfare for decades. To my knowledge in the US their Hal Roach shorts and features were never made readily available in comprehensive VHS or laserdisc editions, and it took ten years for them to come to DVD. Add to that decades where they were seldom presented on TV.
To make matters worse, broad availability of their worst public-domain features in the form of nearly unwatchable quality tapes and disks gave an unfairly bad impression to new generations, who weren't fortunate enough to see the Roach titles after school and on Blackhawk films.
It's my understanding that there is a looong term restoration project of their Roach shorts and features being carried out at UCLA. I only hope I live long enough to see the results.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on June 28, 2015, 02:12 AM:
Brian my BFI sound tracked Collectors Club print must be worth a few bob now then. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder perhaps but dear Laurel & Hardy hold such a special place in movie history everyone should at least have a few film prints of the great duo especially with so many making it onto celluloid.
My own favourite muted many times on here has to be Perfect Day 200ft from Walton purchased in the 1970s although years later I got the full length issue one of my favourites in the L&H pile. Don't know about the rest of you but desirable film titles do seem to be more than a little seasonal on fleabay.
Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on June 28, 2015, 05:01 AM:
Off subject; 'The Plank' so red, it's red 400ft £44.95, just look at those screen shots...
The Plank
Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on June 28, 2015, 05:48 AM:
Very confusing, he mentions VHS/DVD box may have holes and after saying "not much Tommy Cooper on Super 8" he puts 16mm 400ft.
Mind you he is also selling 16mm so may be (mis)using a template.
Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on June 28, 2015, 06:01 AM:
Laurel and Hardy 'Tall Stories' silent with sound-track 200ft £35...
Laurel and Hardy
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 28, 2015, 06:40 AM:
UCLA is undergoing a long-term restoration, it will take time and effort, but so far the results are incredible - I feel everyone should have at minimum, a representative sample of L&H, Chaplin and other genre - Shorty
Posted by Timothy Ramzyk (Member # 718) on June 28, 2015, 10:31 AM:
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UCLA is undergoing a long-term restoration, it will take time and effort, but so far the results are incredible - I feel everyone should have at minimum, a representative sample of L&H, Chaplin and other genre - Shorty
Though Blackhawk, home 8mm and 16mm film truly was Laurel & Hardy's showing so far. I think every library in the US with an AV department had prints available.
I tried to see where things were with the UCLA restorations, and it's hard to figure out how far along they are. It seems like WAY OUT WEST and about 7 shorts are now completed for sure.
Unfortunately UCLA has a lot films they've restored, but like The Library Of Congress, they don't always have the ways and means to distribute the fruits of their labors. I'm hoping these films don't take so long that the possibility of a Blu-ray set isn't out of the question. I don't live near any major city like LA or NY that might screen them.
On an unrelated, I'm told that the 1910 Thomas Edison FRANKENSTEIN is currently at The Library Of Congress undergoing restoration, and they do have plans to make it available.
[ June 29, 2015, 01:11 AM: Message edited by: Timothy Ramzyk ]
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on June 28, 2015, 05:20 PM:
L&H films have been available in one form or another since the demise of Blackhawk. Talkies on Nostalgia Merchant tapes, silents on Nostalgia Archive tapes and laserdisc. AMC cable showed pristine prints of all but a handful of the Roach talkies. TCM has issued a few DVDs, as well as had festivals on their cable channel.
The biggest gap has been missing original main title cards on some of the films. For the most part, the films have been shown in crystal clear form for the last 30 years or so since the debut of the "Laurel and Hardy Show", when they were first fully restored. (Albeit with some unnecessary edits for time.)
Posted by Timothy Ramzyk (Member # 718) on June 29, 2015, 01:17 AM:
I caught them on AMC and the spotty DVD sets taken from those masters. I'd say they looked OK 20 years ago, but the recent Vivendi set used more recent HD masters which to my eye are much more film-like.
I still think studio owned and distributed comedy like The Marx Brothers and Three Stooges have remained more omnipresent than Laurel & Hardy on TV and video.
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on June 29, 2015, 12:19 PM:
When the L&H show debuted around 1985/86, it was eye-opening. Same with what was shown on AMC starting several years later. This was before High Definition, but they looked great on the TVs of the time. It was apparent that they were mastered from superior prints/negatives, compared to the Nostalgia Merchant tapes.
I never saw the DVDs but I heard that they used something other than the AMC "RHI" masters. The DVDs had fades for commercials left in!
TCM once showed WAY OUT WEST, the colorized version, but with the color turned off!
Haven't seen the Vivendi set.
The rights to the Brothers and the Stooges films have been more stable compared to L&H -- hence the more definitive releases over the years. I bought the Paramount films Marx set on DVD thinking "now I'm set", but then BluRay technology was invented -- thought I'm not sure the Brothers have been issued in that format yet.
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 29, 2015, 12:38 PM:
Film - It is the only form that shows the way it was, imperfections or not - Shorty
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 29, 2015, 01:04 PM:
You are so right, Shorty.
I know that I have mentioned this before, but when I watch one of my DVD's of the Lads, lets say, "Big Business", it's a pretty good print they used and all, but I feel kind of at a distance to the material ...
but ohhhhh, when I run my super 8 print of the same title, film grain, occasional scratch and all, I really do feel like I'm back in that movie theater with the crowds, laughing right along with them.
Does anybody else get that feeling when screening they're prints?
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on June 29, 2015, 01:20 PM:
This is a must have DVD collection.
Laural and Hardy: The Essential Collection
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on June 29, 2015, 03:37 PM:
quote:
Film - It is the only form that shows the way it was, imperfections or not - Shorty
quote:
I know that I have mentioned this before, but when I watch one of my DVD's of the Lads, lets say, "Big Business", it's a pretty good print they used and all, but I feel kind of at a distance to the material ...
but ohhhhh, when I run my super 8 print of the same title, film grain, occasional scratch and all, I really do feel like I'm back in that movie theater with the crowds, laughing right along with them.
Does anybody else get that feeling when screening they're prints?
I couldn't agree more -- yes -- that's why we're all here on this forum.
I am, however, happy when there are home-video releases so non-celluloid collectors can be introduced to the boys.
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 29, 2015, 05:03 PM:
No matter what, I still want the Super 8mm "scored" silent shorts of The Boys, they are just nice to watch, that's it
Posted by Timothy Brown (Member # 495) on June 29, 2015, 07:39 PM:
Its' kind of interesting how all formats for delivering a movie more or less follow the same trajectory. The beginning where they have a lot of room to grow, the peak in terms of proliferation, then the decline. Oddly enough most reach there greatest degree of technical excellence in decline. My Super 8 prints from Derann toward the end of Super 8 production were quite possibly the most technically excellent in my collection, and the color filmstocks the most stable.
Likewise, as we see the decline on physical movie media on disks, we see a level of technical excellence that is leaps beyond the first DVDs, especially in the form of a well mastered HD Blu-ray when projected.
I'd say all DVDs of Laurel & Hardy's films for Hal Roach, prior to the Vivendi DVD set reflect the limits of early video mastering and compression. The source is good, but the end result mixed by today's standards. The RHI masters are now twenty plus year-old analog techlines, and they look decidedly "video-ish" by comparison, with general soft flatness lacking texture or range.
I certainly fell in love with L & H through my Super 8 prints, and those of my library. Most of my Blackhawk prints were quite nice, though missing their original titles.
There is no doubt in mind however that we live in an age where the art of film restoration is at an all time high, and that these restorations are revealing detail unseen since these films were first created. I don't quibble over things like the reel change marks, lines or speckles. It's the integrity of photography I'm most concerned about. That's why the prospect of what these UCLA restortions will reveal excites me so much.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on June 29, 2015, 09:47 PM:
UCLA Laurel and Hardy Preservation Fund
Posted by Timothy Brown (Member # 495) on June 30, 2015, 12:45 AM:
That's the page I saw as well, what I can't tell is how recent it is.
Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on June 30, 2015, 07:03 AM:
'Chumps at Oxford' starting price £44.99, why start so high, for what in my experience of Walton Laurel & Hardy's could be a poor to middling print, yet again no screen shots, just stock still...
Chumps at Oxford
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on June 30, 2015, 12:26 PM:
The recent UCLA restorations are: The Music Box, The Midnight Patrol, and De Bote en Bote.
The details are incorrect. The Midnight Patrol was released in 1933, and De Bote en Bote:Pardon Us, in 1931.
The translation for De Bote en Bote is: From the Can, In the Can.
Posted by Steve Carter (Member # 4821) on July 01, 2015, 04:15 AM:
Another high price Jaws 2 x 400ft £146.00...
Jaws 2 x 400ft
Sorry just noticed this posted on another thread...
Posted by Paul Barker (Member # 4318) on July 01, 2015, 05:11 AM:
as long as there are idiots out there who have more money than sense thinking they are getting so called rare items. you will always get these chancers putting items on a stupid prices.but who can blame them, when there are indeed people ready to pay silly money for an item just because its real film. my god what a world we live in.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on July 01, 2015, 07:10 AM:
The Metropolis 9-5 tinted print is the best on the gauge which sells for about £65 ish usually, runs for about 28 minutes.
It is also on Blu-Ray if discs are your bag at about 150 minutes and £12 looking rather splendid. Wait a bit and it will be on Ultra Blu-Ray before long.
The Collectors Club 8mm release is also worth having if you want a longer run than the 9-5 print. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on July 01, 2015, 04:24 PM:
What I don't quite understand is what happened with, or what is wrong with, the negatives/prints used to make the RHI video masters back in the '80s/'90s? Granted, the video technology was inferior to what we have today, but they obviously had fantastic film elements to work with.
Also curious who funds the HD transfers of those relatively obscure (non-L&H) titles that are shown on TCM?
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on July 01, 2015, 06:36 PM:
Joseph,
This link defines the change of hands between RHI and Hallmark.
The L&H Show was not perfect because Way Out West was edited.
RHI & Hallmark
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on July 01, 2015, 07:34 PM:
Thanks for the link, Michael.
On the L&H Show they even edited some shorts and I think all of the features. But when they started showing them just a few years later on AMC (RHI versions), they were unedited. Some titles, like COME CLEAN, ANY OLD PORT, and THEY GO BOOM, were never shown. But they did show the 3rd reel of LAUGHING GRAVY.
Posted by Timothy Ramzyk (Member # 718) on July 03, 2015, 12:43 AM:
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What I don't quite understand is what happened with, or what is wrong with, the negatives/prints used to make the RHI video masters back in the '80s/'90s? Granted, the video technology was inferior to what we have today, but they obviously had fantastic film elements to work with.
Also curious who funds the HD transfers of those relatively obscure (non-L&H) titles that are shown on TCM?
Good question. I've heard rumors about Hallmark dumping negs because nitrate-film storage was never part of their agenda, and that they bought the Our Gang and L&H stuff more for merchandising than restoration and video release. Don't know how much of that is true.
Generally speaking all the major studios are working their way through their catalogs making HD masters for TV syndication packages and streaming/download use. When we're luck they issue a Blu-ray or license to third party to do so.
Major players like Warner and Universal own not only their own catalogs, but those they've absorbed over the years. Sadly their acquired holdings tend to be in a more compromised state. For instance Universal owns most pre-60's Paramount, and Warner owns titles produced by MGM and RKO. The older Paramount, and especially RKO stuff hasn't been getting a lot of HD transfers, because most would require major restoration and in some cases first generation originals no longer exist.
The exception is the MGM titles which were well cared for under Ted Turner's watch. The lion's share of what you see broadcast in HD on Turner are Warner Brothers and MGM titles that Warner has transferred. However, not all films shown on TCM HD are truly HD transfers, they are simply up-converted SD.
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The Metropolis 9-5 tinted print is the best on the gauge which sells for about £65 ish usually, runs for about 28 minutes.
It is also on Blu-Ray if discs are your bag at about 150 minutes and £12 looking rather splendid. Wait a bit and it will be on Ultra Blu-Ray before long.
The Collectors Club 8mm release is also worth having if you want a longer run than the 9-5 print. [Cool]
That 150 minute version is revelatory. I had previously only seen my Griggs Moviedrome Super 8, 100 minute print and the Kino 120 minute DVD. Truthfully, I wasn't sure a METROPOLIS that ran another half hour was going to be a better METROPOLIS, but the restored footage really had some interesting stuff in it. I was fortunate enough to see a 35mm screening with live orchestration (which never hurts).
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on July 03, 2015, 04:56 PM:
The L&H library on Turner Classic Movies cable network, utilizes the Film Classics prints as their source. The Film Classic title on Chickens Come Home is titled: Chicken Come Home.
Host Robert Osborne introduced the movie as Chickens Come Home, and the film started with the title completely cut when broadcasted. The Film Classic plaque jump cut to the secondary players as James Finlayson and Thelma Todd.
Turner also used F.C. material for Another Fine Mess, and the right side of the screen is filled with emulsion and base scratches.
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on July 03, 2015, 07:36 PM:
Some FC prints I've seen are stunning, despite the typos on the main titles of some. (MAN O'WAR is another example.) I'm surprised that TCM is using them, however. The few that I saw several years ago on TCM had original titles.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on July 03, 2015, 09:31 PM:
Joseph,
It's good to know that Turner has been using more original titles.
I cannot remember when I watched those two 3 reelers.
Turner uses F.C. prints. on the Charley Chase, Todd/Pitts, Todd/Kelly shorts.
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on July 05, 2015, 04:55 PM:
I think it depends on the particular film -- I've seen both original and FC titles for Chase and Todd. I'd have to check my tapes for specifics -- all recorded within the last 10 years. I haven't recorded the L&Hs since I have them all on film and had already recorded them from AMC way back when.
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 05, 2015, 05:03 PM:
I have one on 16mm and never seen another one in fact never seen one on 8mm its called the big noise and its a cracking print
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on July 05, 2015, 07:58 PM:
David,
THE BIG NOISE was released in 8mm in digest form with a soundtrack record by Americom. Those Americom prints are just "OK".
What you have is probably a 16mm original issued by National Telefilm Associates or Seven Arts-Associated.
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on June 03, 2016, 03:52 PM:
What always impresses me about our Vlad is that not only are his prices insane but he goes to great lengths to describe how the film might be scratched, buckled, etc without any idea that this may affect the price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16mm-FILM-SOCIAL-HISTORY-GERMANY-HOME-MOVIES-SILENT-250FT-/222119842959?hash=item33b75fd48f:g:dBAAAOSwBLlU51eE
What killed me was on this one where he says 'no box'. Gee, you'd think he didn't want to sell the things.
Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on June 05, 2016, 07:45 PM:
What does this have to do with Laurel and Hardy?
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Posted by Thomas Smith (Member # 1889) on June 07, 2016, 09:02 AM:
Hello Joseph I have a 3X400ft release of The Big Noise
Released in Holland it has dutch subtitles but English
Soundtrack not a bad print, well worth looking out
For if your a laurel and hardy fan
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