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I'm guessing this was a frame-by-frame transfer. Image clarity and contrast is excellent...with stablization and cleaning filters it would look even better.

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Hello Janice !

This is real time transfeer with Focusskye projector from ebay. I use a panasonic AG-HMC40 camcorder

What do you mean with stablization, and do you have any tips for cleaning filters ? I use a microfiber cloth before the film goes in to the projector, I am afraid to use anything that is wet to clean the film in case i destroy the film.

Thank you
 

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Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on January 26, 2017, 06:20 PM:
 
Hi Amund...My comments about stabilization and cleaning refer to post processing with software. There are Virtual Dub filters and AviSynth scripts that are very effective in enhancing film captures.

The best AviSynth scripts I've found were written by Video Fred. You can download them here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144271. Fred's scripts are made for frame-by-frame captures, but I have used them with real-time captures for great improvements. Fred's scripts stabilize, clean, denoise, sharpen, color correct, crop, and adjust speed. All parameters can be customized. However AviSynth scripting can be a bit daunting and Fred's scripts may take lots of trial and error to get the results you want.

Just using VirtualDub and it's built-in or downloadable filters may be an easier route to improve your captures.

Do a search on YouTube to see several demos of VirtualDub in use.
 

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Posted by Alan Gouger (Member # 31) on January 26, 2017, 07:01 PM:
 
Amazing how detailed S8 can look for such a small aperture.
 

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Posted by Tom Spielman (Member # 5352) on January 26, 2017, 08:03 PM:
 
I remember my mother once paid to get my Grampa's old rocking chair restored. She asked the person doing the work if it would be possible to sand away or fill in the significant chew marks left by a dog at some point in the chair's history.

He said that he could certainly do it but recommended that they be left because they were part of the history of the chair and the dog was probably a beloved pet. It was also painted an awful shade of green at the time but he had no problem with the idea of erasing that bit of history.

So this begs the question for which I believe there is no right answer but it is fun to discuss. By removing some of the imperfections present in the original movie, are you removing a bit of history?

On the one hand, the whole reason the movie was made in the first place was to capture those moments. And I'm sure the person behind the camera wanted the results to be as good as they could realistically be. They'd prefer not to have a lot of distracting camera movement, the subjects to be out of focus, the images to be badly underexposed, or the colors to be off.

On the other hand, when I see the occasionally jerky camera work in my Dad's home movies, I picture him holding the camera and filming. Or when he obviously forgot to put the daylight filter in place, or chose the wrong aperture setting. You don't ever see my father, but he was there.

By "correcting" those imperfections on a computer, I would be partly removing my father from behind the camera, which is a shame in a way since he was so rarely in front of it. He of course would have no problem with it and would be thrilled that it's now possible to fix those things he couldn't.

What fun would it be to have my Dad back from the dead and in front of the computer looking at those 50 year old movies and making them better just with a few mouse clicks. He would like that I think.

I guess the answer is to get an uncorrected copy, and a corrected one.
 

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Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on January 26, 2017, 09:22 PM:
 
Tom, that's a beautiful story...
 

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Posted by Amund Hovde (Member # 4948) on January 29, 2017, 06:00 PM:
 
Thanks Janice for giving me this tip about moviefred scripts

Look at this. its its beautiful !!!

https://vimeo.com/201580895
 

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Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on January 29, 2017, 08:51 PM:
 
Much improved Amund. Your initial capture was very good...but now with the restoration scripts the result is outstanding. Nice work.

[ January 29, 2017, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: Janice Glesser ]
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 30, 2017, 12:50 AM:
 
Just fyi, another best transfer method was done by Mattias Norberg

https://vimeo.com/82497785

Surely it also depend on the quality of the film, but with denoise and deshake, his transfer will look even great.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 30, 2017, 12:01 PM:
 
MUCH better on the facial tones! Good job!
 

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Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on January 31, 2017, 09:37 PM:
 
I thought I would add one of my transfers. This clip is from a much longer video montage that I edited for my twin sisters on their 50th birthday. The original footage was not good with dirt and hair on the lens. I cleaned it up as best I could.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3864644/Let%20Them%20Be%20Little.mp4



[ February 01, 2017, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Janice Glesser ]
 

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Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on February 01, 2017, 12:09 PM:
 
I also wanted to respond to the pros and cons of using restoration scripts on film transfers. I'm not in favor of making the film image look perfect. Some imperfections are what we expect in watching old films...light leaks...dirt spots...shaking... fading colors..etc. However when the imperfections become more of a distraction to the content... for me some restoration can make watching much more pleasurable. Others my be just as satisfied leaving things be... with no modifications. No right or wrong here...just a personal choice.
 

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Posted by Tom Spielman (Member # 5352) on February 01, 2017, 05:03 PM:
 
Thanks for addressing that Janice. I remember my first attempt at filming anything was in college using my father's 8mm camera. I was shooting as I was walking towards this banner I was trying to capture. When viewed that particular sequence looks like we were in the middle of an earthquake.

Yes, it was clearly distracting and in the process of digitizing I'd want to smooth it out, but if it's possible and I have the space I think I would always want to save an uncorrected digitized version along with the improved one.

With my father's films in particular, I rarely remember the event itself that he was filming. I do remember watching the films as a kid. In that sense preserving the memory for me is preserving the images as they were.

[ February 01, 2017, 09:18 PM: Message edited by: Tom Spielman ]
 

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Posted by Will Trenfield (Member # 5321) on February 01, 2017, 07:00 PM:
 
I've some family footage which I've digitised, warts and all. There have been some sequences of local events, though, which I've edited out, cleaned up and posted on YouTube for others to enjoy and they've been well-received. I suppose it all depends as to whom the footage is aimed at.
 

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