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Robert Lee
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posted March 17, 2017 12:47 PM

Would a sealed copy of commercial 8mm color film retain its colors after 30+ years? I have yet seen a commercial 8mm movie that has good colors.

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Daniel Macarone
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posted March 17, 2017 01:18 PM

Hi Robert, The film still being shrink-wrapped is not a guarantee that it will still have perfect color. I once bought a 200' film still sealed and the color had some fade. Wether sealed or unsealed, it depends on storage conditions.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 17, 2017 01:25 PM

Robert - haven't you seen any colour prints from around 1983 to the present day? Practically all such releases are low-fade prints that now look as good as when they were sold.

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Robert Lee
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posted March 17, 2017 01:31 PM

Commercial 8mm movie film from 1983+ exists? I thought film was destroyed by VHS/Betamax in the early 80s. I've only seen 8mm movies from the 1970s or earlier.
I didn't know LPP exists for 8mm film, I thought it's only for 16mm.

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Paul Adsett
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posted March 17, 2017 02:03 PM

Robert, super 8mm film is still being printed!

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Robert Lee
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posted March 17, 2017 02:22 PM

I'm talking about commercial 8mm movies though, not blank film for home movies. I searched "LPP 8MM" on ebay nothing came up. Does anyone know when was the last movie released on 8mm film?

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Dominique De Bast
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posted March 17, 2017 02:26 PM

CHC in the UK and the Reel Image in the US still release super 8 films.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 17, 2017 02:29 PM

Robert, Paul used the word Printed to indicate he was meaning Commercially made films not camera stock.

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Robert Lee
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posted March 17, 2017 02:33 PM

The question is can the public buy them at affordable prices? Reel Image doesn't seem to be selling any Super 8 movies. https://thereelimage.jimdo.com/steve-s-online-film-deals/

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 17, 2017 02:37 PM

It depends what you regard as affordable Robert? Yes, they are still selling newly produced prints from the labs.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted March 17, 2017 02:40 PM

Robert, from what I understood, The Reel Image doesn't sell online : you have to call or to write to them.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted March 17, 2017 02:41 PM

Robert,

While the websites may not be updated, you can contact both CHC & The Reel Image to subscribe to their magazines & mailing lists.

As for what's been happening since 1983, Derann Films put out new releases till 2011. Use the Forum's search feature and you'll discover plenty!

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Robert Lee
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posted March 17, 2017 02:51 PM

Looks like the way to buy Derann films is from the For sale/trade/wanted forums. I wonder what I can get for USD40. ^^; This is what I mean by affordable.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted March 17, 2017 02:57 PM

Robert,

Both also have used film lists, which would more in line with that amount.

Doug

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Robert Lee
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posted March 17, 2017 02:59 PM

OK. Hopefully the used films still has excellent colors. Just searched Derann on ebay, most are not affordable. [Frown]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 17, 2017 03:41 PM

With due respect Robert, even in 1977 when many now faded prints were brand new with beautiful colors, you wouldn't get much more than a 400ft digest for $40.

I remember being a schoolkid back then ordering films from my Mums mail order catalogue and using 38 weeks paper round money to pay for one film! [Wink]

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Robert Lee
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posted March 17, 2017 03:42 PM

Hahahaha but the hardware is so cheap. I thought the software would be cheap as well. Guess not.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 17, 2017 03:51 PM

I'm afraid not Robert. Not in Film land.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 17, 2017 04:02 PM

quote:
Hahahaha but the hardware is so cheap. I thought the software would be cheap as well. Guess not.

I guess this also applies in today's technology, e.g computer, when you are dealing with a not so common software. [Wink]

Deal with architects software, their price are mostly tripled the hardware's price. [Razz]

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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 17, 2017 07:47 PM

Robert - you're discovering a strange phenomenon regarding the world of Super 8. Although very large amounts of Super 8 releases have been printed and sold since 1983 - and arguably the 8mm 'golden era' was around 1985 to 1995, you see far more evidence of what was produced earlier. That's partly because of the number of prints being produced of popular titles in the 'mass market' era before video fully took off, but it also reflects the quality and lack of fade that characterises much of the later product, resulting in collectors tending to hang on to it. But keep looking and you will find good affordable b/w and even good colour 400' digests. E.g. forum member Nigel Higgins was recently offering some brand new (old stock) non-faded ones for much less than $40.

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Robert Lee
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posted March 17, 2017 07:50 PM

Is there a film catalog that was released during 1985-1995?
Currently searching for USA sellers in the For Sale forums.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 17, 2017 08:03 PM

I think other members might be able to direct you to one or two sources of Derann information - although they weren't responsible for absolutely everything released during this period. But you could also try mentioning a few items you would like to have if available. I'm afraid you won't find large number of digests because a lot of releases were full length features, but there were (e.g.) some very good 600' versions of films such as 'Capricorn One' and 'The Fog'. And there were large numbers of animated and other shorts, trailers, advertisement reels, etc.

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 18, 2017 11:17 AM

To answer you're original question Robert, yes, super 8 can and will still maintain vibrant wonderful color is it was printed on low fade film stocks ...

Eastman L.P.P. (Low Fade Process)
Agfa film stock (usually marked as "2 S")
Fuji (please note, some fuji fades, ut most fuji printed past 1979, has held it's color well)

... so, yep, great colors abound and the pleasant extra note is that the image quality continued to improve into the 1980 until many super 8 prints actuially equaled the sharpness of you're average 16MM. [Smile]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 18, 2017 03:05 PM

Robert, I don't know if you a fan and familiar with Ebay, but if you found a super 8mm comes with a cover like this:

They are printed by Derann in the LPP period.

This lot was sold for $20 or just $4/each.

You can see that here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201779383777

So like my reply in your other post (searching for LPP print below $50 for a minimum 200') you have a big chance, hence don't give up!

Price that tend to increase only applies to a limited category (such as full length Disney, Classic and new releases) but for digest or shorts mostly are declining and affordable. So don't be afraid to enter this Super 8mm league.

Btw Derann has been around since 1970, so it does not mean Derann's name is a name of perfect color. Many Derann prints pre-1980 have also faded.

Another side note, some companies like Walton, MGM and Ken Films have also printed films on LPP or at least Low Fade stock such as AGFA for their 1978-1982 prints. You should ask before buying, this is really a hit and miss business.

Good luck,

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Joe Caruso
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posted March 20, 2017 05:47 PM

I broke my rule, opened a cellophane-sealed 200' Castle Color Travelogue - It's as if it was just printed - The film is perfect - Yet, that is only one example of preserved Eastman no-fade - Shorty

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