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Topic: Eumig S807D - changing from standard to Super 8 - advice needed

Pete Kirby
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From: Gloucester, UK
Registered: Sep 2017

posted September 12, 2017 03:38 AM

I have acquired my late father's Eumig S807D projector and his large collection of films. I am having trouble converting the projector between Standard and Super 8mm. I can work out which are the Standard and Super 8 film sprockets but am not sure how to determine which of the film gates and film pressure pads are which. Can someone please advise? I can upload photos if that helps. Many thanks.

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Steve Klare
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posted September 12, 2017 03:58 AM

Welcome Pete!

I think you should see "S" or "R" stickers on the outer edges of the four plates telling you which is which. Unfortunately they also have a habit of peeling off after all this time.

Worse come to worse the Super-8 plates should have a noticeably larger aperture.

I don't know 807D very well. but you probably need to use the inching knob to retract the claw when you change plates to prevent damaging if it is like 810D. (I would imagine it is.)

I'm sorry to hear about your Dad. This week I'm sending my own father's slide projector off for repair. It's good when somebody picks these things up and keeps them going.

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Pete Kirby
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posted September 12, 2017 04:15 AM

Thanks, Steve. There is only one S sticker left on one of the film gates but no Rs. However, I can see which have the larger apertures so hopefully I'm on track. I'll test it out later and see. Thanks for your kind words about my father. I used to help him with a lot of his cine stuff when I was a boy so it's nice to be able to continue to use his equipment. Good luck with your father's slide projector (that's another job of mine - to sort through all the family slides from way back when!)

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 12, 2017 09:06 AM

Pete

You should two pairs of gates. The pair not in use live in the slot above the lamp. One pair should be marked S, this is for Super 8, the two parts clip together and slide into place, whilst doing so move the lens as far forwards as it will go.

IMPORTANT. Do not attempt to change the gate assembly until you have set the rear inching knob with the small red dot to the 12 o'clock (vertical) position. This is to withdraw the claw, otherwise it will be snapped off.

The second pair of gates should be marked N, this is for standard 8. As Steve says, if the markings have fallen off the larger aperture is for Super 8, the standard 8 aperture is much smaller.

The sound switch is also to be set correctly. It slides between N and S. The feed spindle also needs to have the Super 8 spool adapter pushed on, without it, the spindle is for standard 8.

Good luck.

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Pete Kirby
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posted September 12, 2017 01:12 PM

Thanks so much for your help, guys. I have now got the projector up and running and have shown a few films. All seems OK although the running speed seems to slow slightly when I turn to 'forward with lamp' which makes the sound drag a bit. May just be the age of the projector but if anyone has any tips on how to fix that I'd be grateful.

It's lovely to view some of these old films again. [Smile]

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 12, 2017 02:41 PM

Before use, just plug into your mains outlet. The motor will run immediately. Warm it up for about five minutes.
Only then switch to motor run.

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Steve Klare
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posted September 12, 2017 03:49 PM

Just to be sure:

There is a selector inside there for 50Hz/60Hz. Yours needs to be set for 50 Hz or you will never get to a true 24 FPS.

-but even before that make sure that slider by the take-up reel is slid up to 24 FPS and not down to 18.

If the last time the machine was used someone was showing home movies it may still be set there.

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Brian Fretwell
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posted September 13, 2017 02:53 AM

Also remember Eumig put on the instructions do not change speed whilst the projector is projecting, but just running idle. I think doing that is another way of damaging (polishing) the rubber on the variable speed discs leading to running slow.

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Pete Kirby
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posted September 13, 2017 03:08 AM

Thanks, guys. All really helpful. Yes, I have the instructions so know not to change speed while the film is running (it says to wait a minute after changing speed before running the film). I haven't looked at the 50Hz/60Hz setting but will check later. Presumably that's on the other side of the projector (same side as the voltage setting).

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 13, 2017 05:29 AM

Pete
As the projector has been in the family for years (in UK) your father would certainly have set it for 50 Hz (cycles).
You can check. Take off the back. There is a little flag which turns ninety degrees to set.

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Steve Klare
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posted September 13, 2017 08:23 AM

I doubt the machine is set for 60Hz too. I just hate banging my head on a problem and only later finding out it was something simple all along.

"I had all the boards out of the CPU before I noticed the mouse wasn't plugged in!"

"Before I send the tow truck, make sure there's some gas in the tank?"

"I didn't blow off your party: you didn't INVITE me!"

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John Last
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From: Codsall, UK
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posted October 03, 2017 09:23 AM

Everything that had been posted before is most helpful. NB These machines are now 60 years old (approx.) and the lubrication in most cases has dried out. Therefor, a drop of 3 in 1 oil on each of the horizontal shaft bearings will help. As for the motor, put one drop of oil on the top bearing. As the bottom motor bearing is very awkward to get to, proceed as follows. Cut a piece of cardboard 10cm x 1cm. Fold it in half length ways and put a couple of drops of oil on one end, then quickly insert it between the lower motor casing and the fan casing. Move the motor shaft by hand a few turns to help the oil get to the bearing and I hope this improves things. It certainly helped mine.

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Pete Kirby
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From: Gloucester, UK
Registered: Sep 2017

posted October 08, 2017 06:51 AM

Thanks, John. I found some 3-in-1 oil in my dad's box of film bits and pieces so he had obviously done the same in his time. I'll give it a try this week and see if it gets things running a bit more smoothly. Amazing that these old projectors are still up and running 60 odd years later!

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