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Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on January 26, 2018, 09:19 PM:

Spurred by the film put on eBay for sale by Osi, I open this thread (I don't found other similar thread).
Let's make a list of all Std8/Super8 films that had a 3D print?

I start:
Creature From The Black Lagoon (Super 8)
Spooks (Std8)

Since I would like to buy one, I would like to know if someone has them for sale, or if knows some shop that has them. Of course, only if the 3d effect has not completely disappeared!

Posted by Burton Sundquist (Member # 5813) on January 26, 2018, 09:43 PM:

I have a 400' Universal 8 Super 8 Sound digest of "It Came From Outer Space" It came with a pair of 3D glasses. I haven't screened it in over 30 years and it's currently in storage so I have no clue what the condition of the print is...I remember the 3D alien being pretty cool. Not selling but one to add to your list.

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on January 27, 2018, 02:45 AM:

Murder in 3D was a 200ft release from Derann on Super 8. I have a faded copy of it.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on January 27, 2018, 03:32 AM:

The Mad Magician from Colombia as a 400ft.

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on January 27, 2018, 08:50 AM:

I love 3D! Here's a thread about this subject from back in 2008.

Doug

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 27, 2018, 09:07 AM:

We're trying to determine when Columbia first issued the 8mm 3-D shorts. They are not in a 1962 brochure but are listed in a 1966 catalog.

They represent the first example of dual-35mm polarized 3-D converted to red/cyan anaglyphic for home use. This was long before the TV broadcasts of the early 1980's.

If you have an interest in 3-D history, you might find our website of interest. I've been working in this field since the early 80's. Thanks! www.3dfilmarchive.com

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on January 27, 2018, 09:17 AM:

Hi Bob, I'm a long time fan of your website and your team's wonderful Blu ray 3-D restorations, and I'm looking forward to THE MAZE!
Luigi, I would add the super 8 Derann release of The Three Stooges' PARDON MY BACKFIRE 400 footer...

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 27, 2018, 09:24 AM:

Thanks very much, Joe!

What many people do not realize is that high quality polarized 3-D on film was available in the home before the widespread release of 3-D in theaters.

We talk about it briefly on this page: http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/home/The-Bubble

Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on January 27, 2018, 10:27 AM:

Why don't we talk about you writing that book on 3-D Shorts - Shorty

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 27, 2018, 11:02 AM:

Who needs a book when it's all on our website?

http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/golden-age-3-d

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 27, 2018, 11:38 AM:

Dude! You really do have a great website!

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 27, 2018, 12:31 PM:

Thanks, Osi.

There's close to four decades of original research shared on the site, all of it from documented, primary source materials.

It was put online for two reasons: to promote our restoration work on 3-D Blu-ray and to counter the amount of wrong information that has gotten online and sourced from a woefully inaccurate book by R.M. Hayes on the subject. If he didn't know something, basically, he guessed and now much of his speculation is fact on IMDB, Wikipedia and other sites.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on January 27, 2018, 06:07 PM:

Sorry for my bad search, Doug!

Also "Third Dimensional Murder", wow!

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on January 28, 2018, 04:32 PM:

Of the discs is there a list of the titles that are OK for the UK.

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 28, 2018, 05:31 PM:

David, are you talking about our 3-D Blu-ray titles?

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on January 29, 2018, 11:04 AM:

This past weekend we set up the 3D on my Grandson's Epsom digital projector. I was very skeptical that it would be worth watching but decided to give it a go. We hooked up a Sony blu ray player with 3D capability and I purchased a pair of 3D shutter glasses at Best Buy for $39.00 (the Epsom glasses are $99.00!). We put in the 3D blu ray of Titanic and WOW, it was just amazing on an 8ft wide screen! Just about perfect with no double imaging that I could say and wonderful 3D all round.

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 29, 2018, 11:50 AM:

Paul, you have a wealth of Golden Age 3-D on Blu-ray to discover and enjoy!

Posted by Dave Groves (Member # 4685) on January 29, 2018, 11:53 AM:

Luigi, if you're going to buy anything in 3D make sure you check it isn't faded. I have 'Murder in 3D' and 'It Came from Outer Space' and all have faded making the 3D useless. Fortunately I've got a 3D projector and t.v. and it's usually spectacular. Love 'The Bubble' with it's fantastic out of the screen effects.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on January 29, 2018, 03:29 PM:

My Murder in 3D print is on Agfa and not faded, so as you say best to check before buying, but there are fade-free prints out there. From what I have read it wasn't the best-made 3D film and may need the glasses reversing to get anything like a good result.

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 29, 2018, 03:43 PM:

The 1941 35mm nitrate prints of THIRD DIMENSIONAL MURDER were printed cyan/magenta (not cyan/red) and the red was the right side.

There was no attention paid to convergence during principal photography and even in an original nitrate print, most of the 3-D is very hard on the eyes.

I believe the Super 8 prints are taken from a 16mm reduction so they are quite a few generations removed from an original. This makes the anaglyphic 3-D (which requires pure colors) even harder to decode.

[ January 29, 2018, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: Bob Furmanek ]

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on January 29, 2018, 05:04 PM:

Bob

Thats an excellent and very informative web-site you have [Cool]

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 29, 2018, 05:06 PM:

You're very kind, thank you Graham.

Posted by Panayotis A. Carayannis (Member # 1220) on January 30, 2018, 02:47 AM:

Bob- What is your opinion on the Fangoria and Eddie Sammons books?

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 30, 2018, 08:40 AM:

I don't own those books so can't comment on them, sorry.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on January 30, 2018, 11:12 AM:

My original 3D print of the U8 400ft digest of Creature From The Black Lagoon has now faded to the point of not working 3D wise. But my later Derann print of the same digest, presumably printed on low fade stock, still has good 3D (for anaglyphic super 8mm that is!).
Getting back to home digital 3D projection, I had no idea how good it was, really comparable to the professional cinema. Hugo is just amazing in 3D, and a quick look at Titanic looks equally impressive. As a lover of MGM musicals, I intend to pick up Kiss Me Kate which reportedly has great 3D.
I am now spending a lot of time on Bob's superb web pages. [Smile]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 30, 2018, 11:43 AM:

I have to say, concerning super 8 3D, that it can be really hit or miss as to whether the 3D effect really works well, even on an L.P.P. print. Some effects will be OK, but a lot of the effects seem to have the red blur to far apart (that's the only way i can describe it), for the two to mesh well in order to give the viewer the really nice view.

I can't imagine that the original release of these was that bad, as 3D wouldn't have lasted a week when it first came out and i wonder if it could be a problem with how we view these, these days.

A good example of this is on my Universal 8 "It Came From Outer Space". It still have great unfaded color, and some of the 3D works strikingly well, but other part of it are terrible, to be honest.

Could part of it be to dark of a projection, or not enough distance from the projected image? just curious.

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 30, 2018, 11:48 AM:

Keep in mind, Osi. Except for the MGM Pete Smith shorts in the late 1930's and some Lippert and Burlesque shorts in 1953, all of these films were originally seen theatrically in the vastly-superior dual-35mm polarized 3-D. There's really no comparison in quality.

Anaglyphic 3-D only works well on printed material, such as comic books.

3-D on Blu-ray is the closest you can get today on how these films looked when first released.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 30, 2018, 12:22 PM:

I still remember the first 3D film I actually saw ... on TV, "Gorilla At large" (TERRIBLE film) and this was back in the days that it was a big thing to broadcast this kind of thing. They sold 3D glasses all over town ahead of time for this film and the proceeds were used to hep the unfortunate.

Posted by Bob Furmanek (Member # 3734) on January 30, 2018, 12:36 PM:

For anaglyphic 3-D to work, you need a pure red/cyan image. Once a film has been copied multiple times, the purity of those colors severely diminish.

In the case of the 8mm 3-D prints, you are working from a dupe negative that is (at least) four generations removed from the left/right camera originals. That's a LOT of copying and loss of quality. Add in the fading of composite negatives from the early 1970's when these anaglyphic elements were made and you have a recipe for disaster.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on January 30, 2018, 06:12 PM:

Thanks for the advice, I'm looking for 3D films that are not faded.
Fortunately, the ones I found, it is specified that the film is faded or not, but not faded are rare!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 31, 2018, 12:09 PM:

Fortunately, Derann films re-released both "Creature From The Black Lagoon" and "It Came From Outer Space, and both on low fade film stock, so be sure that it's a Derann films re-print if you go after these two! [Smile]

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