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Posted by Eve Oval-Bruegger (Member # 6385) on March 17, 2018, 01:17 PM:

I feel like I've exhausted all my searches, but still can't find Colour 8mm film cheaper than £36.99 from the UK, & 45chf in Germany, and living in Switzerland I have the postage and import fees on top!!

Where do you buy yours from, brand, and how much?

I'm happy to film in B&W, but just for our first family holiday coming up in April, where we go to Cornwall, England (I lived there for 14 years before moving here), I'd REALLY like to capture it in colour! Hoping by then I'll be ready to film :-P

Thanks in advance!

Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on March 17, 2018, 07:40 PM:

Have you tried Wittner Cinitec, that’s probably your best option in Europe.

Wittner Cinitec

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 17, 2018, 07:47 PM:

I used to shoot a lot before 2014, not for the art things, but more just like our daily shooting with Video. I shot my kid's birthday, our holidays, etc, etc...nothing fancy. That one when Kodak was still manufacturing color stocks.

But now, Kodak stop manufacturing (although there is a roumor it will create a new stock) and we end up with a very expensive price now. From what used to be $18-22 now to become $35. I now stop my casual shooting since with developing cost + shipping, the total will become around $50-75 for 3 minutes (a cartridge).

So I am afraid I should say, you come a little bit late, so now has to deal with this expensive price. The old (expired) color film stocks that can be still developed at affordable price E6 such as Kodak 64T and Ektachrome 64 have also increased to become $45-60 now.

There are some cheap expired color film stock but the developing cost is very expensive and rare.

cheers,

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 17, 2018, 08:04 PM:

Eve, sadly colour film is expensive now. Kahl, in Germany manufactures 8mm film but it's not cheap http://www.kahlfilm.de/content.php?nav=17
If you're looking for super 8, the same company can also provide stock but, again, at a price http://www.kahlfilm.de/content.php?nav=8

We're all waiting for Kodak to reintroduce reversal colour stock but so far it's not on the market. Neither is the Ferrania film that had been promised years ago but is still in a test phase.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on March 17, 2018, 08:19 PM:

Hi Eve

This film stock should be out soon, also as well as being on this forum, check out "Super 8mm" facebook page as well. There are some that are right into filmaking.. big time [Smile]

Posted by Eve Oval-Bruegger (Member # 6385) on March 18, 2018, 03:40 AM:

Thanks for all your comments, I think I just needed to hear that before I went ahead and bought some colour film.. (Standard 8mm not Super 8)

My mother lives in Wales and is coming to Cornwall to visit my family whilst we are there, so I've ordered 2 Wittner Chrome 200 D, to be delivered to her address, and will take a couple of Fomapan B&W with me too :-)

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on March 18, 2018, 03:54 AM:

Eve
There are many sellers offering outdated standard 8 Kodachrome on eBay. At one time Kodak processed this film free as it was included in the purchase price. It was a great film and was used extensively.
However, Kodak discontinued this some years ago, and then closed their labs which offered the free processing. It was a complicated process.
I believe that only one private lab in the USA were able to continue processing but it was no longer free of charge. But, even that lab may now not offer the facility.
As we all know, eBay is a complete minefield, with many sellers offering items (cine particularly) which they know nothing about.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 18, 2018, 05:42 AM:

Maurice is, as usual, correct. That American lab processed (and may be still doing so) Kodachrome but in black and white only. I believe that the reason is that there are no longer chemicals available. You should have no problem to have your Wittner films processed

Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on March 18, 2018, 07:19 AM:

Yes, the Kodachrome can only be processed as a B&W negative so you get a digital copy of your film or you would have to have a print made of the negative if you wanted to project it. So Kodachrome can be useful for these scenarios but at a price. [Smile]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 18, 2018, 05:45 PM:

quote:
.. (Standard 8mm not Super 8)

Guys, I think this makes the search is even much harder. Your suggestions are mostly related to super 8mm.

Eve, even when Kodak was still manufacturing color film stock pre-2012, that was super 8mm. I believe it did not longer make standard 8mm (also called as regular 8mm) far before that.

The only person that I knew making standard 8mm (I believe by slitting 16mm color film stock) is John Schwind that can be contacted from here: https://www.buy8mmfilm.com/

cheers,

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 19, 2018, 04:13 AM:

@Eve Oval-Bruegger: I think you made a good purchase. Wittner Chrome 200D (an Agfachrome RSX-II 200 emulsion) is a film that I like, even if not at all for its high graininess.
The 200 Asa, however, are useful in conditions of not high light, and for return to practice with the 8mm is good.

It's usually available with development also from super8.nl in Netherlands (but now is out of stock) and from Andec in Germany, which now however develops at super8.nl lab.

Ah, if, maybe in the future, you're going to edit your film with a classic way, with a splicer, remember that this film is in polyester (and not in acetate like Fomapan), so a TAPE splicer should be used.

[Smile]

Posted by Eve Oval-Bruegger (Member # 6385) on March 19, 2018, 03:50 PM:

Yeah I found that out recently about Kodachrome, luckily before I purchased some off ebay! Good thing I did my homework first, otherwise that would have been disappointing, and a waste of money.

That's on my list, processing.. I have no idea where, or how much that's going to cost.. I think there is somewhere in Germany & the UK, but I really have to look into it.

Where do you all get your films processed? How much can I expect to pay for 1x8mm film, and how much does price vary on B&W & colour, if any?? Do places offer discounts on more than one film??

Goodnight from Switzerland! Zzzz

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 20, 2018, 04:57 AM:

Yes, in fact the Kodachrome on eBay and its development currently only possible in black and white are not ideal for start filming. Taking also into account that they are always expired films, which therefore require a different opening of the iris and an unpredictable quality result.

But Kodak should give us the new Ektachrome, as the other friends said, hopefully soon! [Smile]

The sites indicated, main Europeans (but there are others in Europe and in the world):
www.super8.nl
www.andecfilm.de
www.wittner-cinetec.com
And the English: www.gaugefilm.co.uk
also provide development service, with prices visible on their sites.
The total cost varies from the type of emulsion, from VAT of Country, and also to shipping costs.
Labs offer film+development included, which I think is the best solution.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on March 20, 2018, 05:44 AM:

I am not sure if the eagerly awaited Ektachrome will be available in standard/double 8, the film gauge which Eve will be using.
https://www.kodak.com/corp/press_center/kodak_brings_back_a_classic_with_ektachrome_film/default.htm

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 20, 2018, 06:48 AM:

True, Maurice, the Kodak did not talk about Double 8.
Too bad, I would like to use also in D8 and in 16mm.
For now, let's be content with what comes...

Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on March 20, 2018, 04:21 PM:

Kodak does intend to make the new Ektachrome in 16mm so Wittner will probably perforate it for Double 8mm like they do other stocks.

I have my film processed at Dwayne's in Kansas, it costs me $12 plus $5 shipping for a 25 foot roll. The shipping out of the country is expensive. Spectra Film in California also process both Super 8 and 8mm. If there's an option in Europe that would be more practical. There must be someplace in Germany that does it.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 20, 2018, 05:25 PM:

If Kodachrome is re-manufactured and is available in 16 mm, that's good new for 9,5. It means there would be fresh colour stock in this gauge again. However, the cost (16 mm film + reperforation + shipping costs at each stage) would of course refrain many enthusiasts. If only there could be à 35 mm unperfored version in the Kodak catalogue...

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 20, 2018, 06:33 PM:

Let's hope Kodak will market it at $15-20, the last price for 100D in 2013.

Anything above $25 will refrain shooters to buy especially after this long vacuum period.

cheers,

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 20, 2018, 07:44 PM:

True, there are also private who have machines to for cut in Double 8. If there is 16mm disponibility it's excellent thing.

Dom, a 100D cut in 9.5mm would be a dream, the costs could be sustainable with group of orders, maybe through the Spanish club that you know.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on March 20, 2018, 08:35 PM:

quote:
a 100D cut in 9.5mm would be a dream, the costs could be sustainable with group of orders, maybe through the Spanish club that you know.

But cutting 16mm to 9.5mm would be very expensive, wouldn't be? The left over 6.5mm will be wasted, right? This means we pay 16mm price + cutting cost for an inferior result than 16mm [Eek!]

Or did I get something wrong here?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 21, 2018, 02:48 AM:

The result is not inferior since the picture size is roughly the same between 9,5 and 16 mm (due to the fact that the perforation is central on 9.5 stock). But at the end, it's of course more expensive. 9.5 is cheaper than 16 mm when reperfored from 35 mm (unperfored ) stock as you get three 9.5 strips (vs two in 16 mm). Reporforing 16 to 9.5 would only be a "passionate thing" (but like shooting on film in general in this digital era...)

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on March 21, 2018, 03:53 AM:

Yes I believe that for some later 9.5 releases Walton just reperforated and trimmer their 16mm silent prints.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 21, 2018, 02:00 PM:

Undoubtedly better to get 9.5mm from 35mm, of course.
From 16mm is an extreme solution, just to be able to use that format of great historical importance. A "passionate thing", right.

Somewhere we talk about a chance to have the new Ekta in 35mm or it's impossible?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 22, 2018, 07:22 AM:

Luigi, the informations are not easy to get. I was told that Kodak would manufacture directly super 8 stock and not from 35mm. That's possible as there is a lost starting from 35 mm. but then what about 16 mm ?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 22, 2018, 11:08 AM:

Wittner has announced that their current new batch of 200 asa colour film will be the last one. Once it's sold out, it will not be available again. This film is, in my opinion, far to be the best one but at least it existed. May Kodak come quickly with some good news.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 23, 2018, 10:09 AM:

I liked Chrome 200D; its massive grain was good for experimental films.
Many users hate it, but it's a pity that it's no longer sold.
We remain without invertible in color, at this point.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 23, 2018, 11:20 AM:

Luigi, it's still on sale but when the existing stock is sold out, there will be no new film made. Here is what Wittner says :

"5 years ago we have started selling our Wittner Chrome 200D products, just months after Kodak discontinued
the Ektachrome 100D. How ironic that now, five years later, we have to discontinue our own product,
since the raw stock Agfa RSX-II 200 is depleted.
Last Orders Please!
For Super 8, Double 8 and 16mm, the following applies:
The last production run is completed - delivery will continue until stock depleted!
Nevertheless, we are very proud having ensured the continuous worldwide supply of the color reversal market
during the past 5 years. For most lab operators, this made it possible to keep the E6 lines open, what otherwise
would not have been the case.
In addition to the Cinefilm market, we also supplied many industrial customers with a broad variety of
Wittner Chrome 200D specialty products. The total quantities of all custom-made specialty products are in the
seven-digit range. The Wittner Chrome 200D products are the most successful color reversal products of our
companies history. No other material of this kind was ever sold almost that often. Not even the legendary K40!
Finally, we would like to thank our excellent distributors worldwide, without whose energetic support and help
this phenomenal success would not have been achievable. A lot of information was provided by our reseller
network after the demise of the Ektachrome and the customer base was supported with our Wittner Chrome
200D products as a viable solution.
The success became visible by regular reordering in considerable quantities. 50, 100, 200, 500, up to 800
cartridges were shipped into the world on a frequent basis. Lot sizes that we first had to adjust to in production.
After a bumpy start in March 2013 we got the production capacity right by mid of the year. The following
5 years we were able to supply (with brief interruptions, triggered by bulk orders) almost continuosly - until now.
Are we sad it's over now?
No. It was a very successful and interesting but also turbulent and exhausting time for us. After this 5-year
manufacturing marathon the whole team is looking forward to some rest and variety. The released time
and energy can be used for other projects.
We are very pleased that we have left a remarkable footprint in all areas of color reversal film application
and that we were able to ensure filmmakers all over the world to use color reversal film during the past 5 years.
You could not have planned or wished it better. 5 years were the perfect time span, a perfect fit.
Not possible to do better."

Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on March 23, 2018, 07:13 PM:

They sound proud of themselves. And they are not sad that it is over...they can move on. I'm sad it's over. Film production that is.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 23, 2018, 07:46 PM:

Yes, Dom, I received the email on the newsletter.
I'm sorry, in the end it was a good emulsion, an historical color emulusion.
Now I'm a shortage of money, but I think I'll buy a couple of reels, I'll have it in time.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 24, 2018, 02:20 AM:

Luigi, all we can hope is that Kodak brings soon a quality stock at a reasonable price on the market. Or Ferrania..."one day".

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 27, 2018, 05:24 AM:

Now Ferrania I tend to forget it ... :

Posted by Eve Oval-Bruegger (Member # 6385) on March 27, 2018, 02:58 PM:

My B&W Fomapan film arrived from the States today.. but the postman wanted 22.50chf upon delivery! I had no cash, nor time to go & collect them (ordered 5) today :-( I REALLY need to figure out a cheaper way to get my hands on film in future...

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 27, 2018, 03:11 PM:

Ordering from the States is always a risk regarding import taxes. It's like a lottery, sometimes you pay nothing, sometimes you don't escape it.

Posted by Mark Norton (Member # 165) on March 28, 2018, 06:35 AM:

I've recently used retro8 enterprises Japan. His 40ft Fuji Provia 100D colour cine film works out at around £28 per super 8 cartridge (Non process paid) Minimum order is 5 cartridges & very fast delivery too!

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 28, 2018, 06:50 AM:

Mark, I think this company sadly does not provide double 8 filmstock, which is what Eve is looking for.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on March 28, 2018, 08:09 PM:

I subscribe what Dom says, it's a lottery.
Eve, you should buy Fomapan R100 Double 8 in Europe. Even if the film arrives at you in Switzerland, outside the EU, and the problem of extra taxes maybe could come back (I can't say precisely how Switzerland is now placed with the transit of goods, but, few yeas ago, I paid the customs duties for a package from Switzerland to Italy).
In Europe there are many shops who sell and develop Fomapan Double 8, I don't want to advertise any particular laboratory, but Fomapan itself has its own e-shop.
In Italy, I also use a store that buys and sells this emulsion.
With search with Google with "Fomapan R100 Double 8" words you have many shop, also in Europe.
But for other doubts, we are here. [Smile]

Posted by Eve Oval-Bruegger (Member # 6385) on March 29, 2018, 04:11 PM:

Thanks guys :-) I don't know what I'd do without this 8mm Forum!

Oh where is the best place to store it?? No space in the fridge or freezer.. but we will be getting electricity in the basement in a couple of months, where we will have a big freezer, & making it into a bit of a hobby room too (my husband's hobby is building drones-since I bought him one as a surprise for Christmas!)..

How should I store my unused films, and used??

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 29, 2018, 05:39 PM:

In a cool place. Don't wait too long to have your films process as an exposed film (especially colour stock) will hold less well than an unexposed one.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on March 31, 2018, 02:48 AM:

Wittner's 200 D colour film is no longer available in super 8 cartridges.

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on March 31, 2018, 04:34 AM:

If you do have to store an exposed film before processing keep it in a metal cased fridge, well wrapped. Heat and even very low level background radiation are what cause loss of image.

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