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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted June 28, 2018 06:51 AM
This is a topic i started elsewhere and i domt normaly do cross threading between forums.this will be a one off but i wanted to put this up here if you all dont mind as i would like to get your views and write ups if you would like to join in.
We very often read about various things about our machines with the popular ones being the Eumigs, Elmo's Bauers and a couple of others. I have been looking in some old mags and on-line and have seen some really nice looking machines. If i throw some makes and models on here can anyone enlighten us as to how good these are, how they perform, how noisy / quite they are? Are they know for scratching etc.
It would be good to get an insight into some of these.
The Tacnon range, such as the Tacnon 808 super 8 stereo
SANKYO 700/800
Yelco Stereo 3600 Computer Quartz
The Yelco Range in general,
Chinon Sound 9500 MV Twin Track Magnetic & Optical and other Chinons,
The B & H Range, (one i could never buy again after a brand new one put a green scratch on new film), 16mms fine but for me, not 8mm. Am i wrong? Should i let this one experience put me off?
The Canon range
Minolta Range, like the Minolta 6000
The Sankyo range.
The Optomax range, like the SD-800
The Duo range
The Norris Range
The Heurtier range such as the Stereovox Which Ian recently sold brand spanking new.
The beaulie range
Fumeo
Fujica
we all seem to talk a lot about our Elmos, Eumigs and Bauer so for those of you with lots of projector collecting experience please enlighten me.
if i can get enough info i will put an article together for the magazine. (I know not everyone reads it or subscribes to it),
What are the pro's and cons of some of the above makes? There must be a lot around still and i would assume many on the forums must use them.
I have to say, some of them look pretty darn good.
Are there any decent ones i have left out?
Are there any technical tips that are easy for any of these?
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Steve Klare
Film Guy
Posts: 7016
From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted June 28, 2018 12:41 PM
My son has a Yelco silent machine.
This one is just a little bit (ahemmm!) notorious. An old co-worker of mine previously ran an adult bookstore on Trinidad and had a couple of these to entertain the...cinema fans! (-some folks just love "film"!)
When he found out I was into film he picked the best of the lot out of storage and gave it to me. A few years later I brought it back to life for my son. (My wife wanted to dip it in bleach! ![[Wink]](wink.gif) )
It is too simple to be unreliable, but it's just not well thought out. It runs well, but very simple routine tasks are difficult because of the way it's built. Access to the gate is poor so it's difficult to clean it.
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-bar none, it is the worst belt change I have ever seen (-and I've changed belts on cars, projectors, pants and major appliances!). The entire main shaft has to be removed to snake a new motor belt in place. There were screws that had to be removed and replaced in the bottom of deep valleys between chassis mounted stuff: I used a magnetized screwdriver, said a little prayer, held my breath and probably cursed under my breath too! ("Steven! Go help Daddy with your projector!")
I'm reasonable mechanically competent, but asked for and received a set of belt change instructions here before I would even try!
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All I ask is a wide screen and a projector to light her by...
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Phil Murat
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 671
From: Villeneuve St Georges, France
Registered: Dec 2015
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posted July 13, 2018 12:40 AM
Hi Tom,
This is a very interesting thread you put there....
That could be achieved as a condensed chart showing main criterias, each one in a column associated.
Each criteria could be rated from 1 to 10 (10 for the best appreciation).
Anyway, I 'll put here , soon, a "vintage" commercial chart to download in PDF file which offers a comparison between different main projectors brands, showing there performances and optional features.
[ July 13, 2018, 02:24 AM: Message edited by: Phil Murat ]
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Maurizio Di Cintio
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 977
From: Ortona, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted July 13, 2018 05:42 AM
Having owned/Owning a Fumeo 9120, a Beaulieu 708 EL STEREO, a Noris 342 and a Sankyo Stereo 800 (plus a Sankyo 702's clone, the B&H DCT), here are my observations:
FUMEO
liked: picture steadiness, quietness, spool capacity, lens, reliability, resilience (of the soundhead, too)
didn't like: sound assembly (a nightmare to fix with stereo heads, and poorly conceived/engineered pressure system), spools spindle's clutches not very effective (needing constant re-adjusting thruought a full-length presentation); some competitors with smaller lamp wattage tend to be at least as bright...
BONUS: manual threading (a dream when you need to unload before screening is over)
BEAULIEU
like: spool arm capacity, picture steadiness/brightness, quietness, sound quality, monitor sound head, rear image pressure system, nice gauge-vumeters (active in P/B too!)
don't like: framing knob moves picture aperture up and down (it does not work on the claw's relative position), overall "cheap" appearance of some details, a feeling that it might not withstand prolonged/repeated screenings of F/L features, lack of a proper headphones' jack, sound console not very straightforward in usage; a little hard to unload in mid projection
BONUS: very high sound quality (albeit with somewhat "tender" Woelke heads - same as Bauer's)
NORIS:
like: quietness, steadiness, excellent brightness (even considering it's got ony a 100W lamp, this is one of the brightest projectors ever, due to very narrow shutter blades), image crispness, rear-sprung film gate, sound quality, completeness of stereo/twin track capabilities, push-button inching sound system, pre-roll flywheel system (resulting in no wow&flutter of sound even at start of projection)
don't like: weird (but strangely reliable) auto-thread system, almost impossible to unload in middle of film, the worst-looking projector ever, sound controls all but user-friendly (in fact Noris supplied an extra stencil-kit to superimpose onto the sound section, which tells you which buttons to push and in what order for the specific function you want to use... Bear in mind: the kit comprises 17 of these stencils), sound heads (Recovac) hard to come by
SANKYO's
like: sturdy and reliable (best auto-thread system IMHO), very good picture steadiness, good brightness, picture is from very crisp with supplied lens, to almost excellent with the Sankyo HI-Pro Zoom, very hard-wear heads (almost on par with Elmo's), very good sound quality, reasonable spool capacity in this league of 800', rather easy to unload at mid-show, easily serviceable (especially the claw arm: just three coiled springs to keep it in its position)
don't like: single-tooth claw, noisy; on a few units where the claw movement is not 100% fine-tuned sound quirks may develop on mid-hi frequencies in certain cases (with vibrant/warbled female voices), motor control board's capacitors and a few microswitch of the main rotary control knob may give problems and the machine could come to a stop during projection (albeit for a few instants, but could be a disaster for the frame in the gate!)
All in all they both are workhorses, with very good performances if used regularly with said problems sorted (which develop ONLY with lack of usage!)
I hope this helps....
[ July 13, 2018, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: Maurizio Di Cintio ]
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