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Topic: ELMO ... why? why?
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 10, 2018 11:42 AM
I'm really starting to think that my investment in an ELMO GS1200 was a big mistake. Since I got it ...
The rewind doesn't even rewind.
The optical sound keeps on "shorting out". Now, it won't even play.
I'm wondering if it's just a matter of a complete overhaul, a complete oiling a dusting of all the levers and such. I really hope that is the answer, as i have NEVER had this much of an issue with any projector, (truth be told, I'd LOVE to find a EUMIG 938 stereo!) ...
I mean, I know that these are supposed to be the "cadillac?Mustang" ect of the super 8 projector world, but it's just getting to be a pain to me and a frustration ...
I don't just have the cash to mail this 80.00 dollars to ship one way projector (it's freakin heavy!) to somewhere else to have it all overhauled.
It just sits there, ticking me off when I glance at it.
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Tom Photiou
Film God
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From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted November 10, 2018 01:21 PM
I've always thought, unless you can get spares easily and reasonable priced,(those motors from Elmo only use to cost around £60), or are an electronics engineer, the GS series is just too over engineered for the every day collector. It's a machine i always wanted one after my ST1200HD's, it was the natural upgrade for me until i really looked into them to see how everything works. Once i realised how many motors and switches they had within, that was it for me. I've always thought the HD1200 to be a perfect and well built workhorse, (along with a few other good machines).
I still like the look and performance of the GS, (who wouldn't), but they are simply too much maintenance for the average guy & mega bucks when they require fixing ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Paul Adsett
Film God
Posts: 5003
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted November 10, 2018 02:12 PM
Osi, if you read Consumer Reports the Cadillac has very poor reliability! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) What you want is the reliability of a Honda, namely a good Eumig 800 series machine.
But there is no doubt that a fully functioning GS1200 is a beautiful thing to behold, putting out a very bright and steady picture and good quality sound. It is of course built like a tank, probably the most robust of any super 8 projector, with sound heads that seem to last forever.
I think the Eumig 938 has better sound and is gentler on film, but the 938 has some areas of flimsy plastic components which eventually fail, so its build quality could be better.
At the end of the day you will not find any projector without some issues. As Leon says, all these machines are now 40 years old. As a GS1200 owner I agree that they are complex and fussy machines, but IMO they are worth owning and worth the cost of maintaining, simply because they outperform most other projectors.
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The best of all worlds- 8mm, super 8mm, 9.5mm, and HD Digital Projection,
Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj
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Matthieu van der Sluis
Master Film Handler
Posts: 373
From: Barendrecht, The Netherlands
Registered: Aug 2017
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posted November 11, 2018 07:26 AM
Mine still works, but I know the day will come it won't.
I'm glad ' van Eck' is not too far from me.
I have also a ST1200D, but the take up reel cannot handle 1200", so it stops halfway, dropping the rest of the film on the floor. This one still has the round belts I once ordered at 'van Eck'. I recently ordered the origenal square belts at the Real Image store. I still need to replace them, and than it will be amuch better.
I'm looking for a ST1200HD as well,because I think it will be better, because it's the final engineered version of this ST1200 projectorline.
I really like this projector in case design. I even ordered a Beauercase for my Beauer T610 because of theat, but it makes the whole Beauerset very large.
Wish they made an Elmo case for the GS1200 as well like they did for the ST1200, but they did not.
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Stuart Finkelstein
Film Handler
Posts: 62
From: Boston, MA, USA
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted November 12, 2018 02:15 AM
Optical sound adjustment is a tricky task for the GS, but motors and many other parts can be replaced with a mere screwdriver. I work on my own GS projectors, and they run like a top! Of course, I have help from an unnamed forum member, but if you use these pages for tech support when needed, you will find out what you need to know.
You can even download a GS-1200 service manual:
http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/manuals/GS1200SERVICE.pdf
[ November 12, 2018, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: Stuart Finkelstein ]
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 13, 2018 11:38 AM
Actually, Paul, I am certainly looking to find a very good condition (or better yet, brand new in box) Eumig S938!!!
I've always wanted one of them.
By the way, i just fixed a prolem on my Eumig 926 stereo!
The little metal "peg" (That's what I'll call it), that is on the actual "lense assembly" broke off, (for others that donot know, it's the lil thing that allows you to turn backwards or forwards the whole lense), an I super glued it on once, but it fell off rather easily in short duration ...
The fix?
I found that with just a very little masking tape, wrapped around once or twice the inner portion of the lense, that i could firmly put it back in there, however, i do have to move it "manually' back and forth, but it's better than no lense assembly at all and there is no "cosmetic" loss to the projectors beauty! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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