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Bill Sherren
Film Handler

Posts: 43
From: Kent, England
Registered: Dec 2018

posted December 12, 2018 05:28 PM

So far scanning the film in reverse and correcting in software has given the best results. Though this scan still had some sideways wobble that was not evident when scanning in the correct direction. Where you got at worse total shake on the whole image or best at the top! But on that scan no sideways wobble. A second film so far is only stable in the second half of the 50 foot run despite being filmed in reverse. My main current concern is the indention that appears in the middle of the sprocket holes after the scanning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY-SU5p7MGc

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Werner Ruotsalainen
Film Handler

Posts: 97
From: Helsinki, Finland
Registered: Dec 2017

posted December 14, 2018 04:42 PM

BTW,

1, vertical wobble can be eliminated to a great degree if you don't use the right spool but let the film being collected in, say, a box.

2, regarding the dust collected on the white light diffusor pretty much visible on your scanning: if you have an external projector or just a screwdriver, on which you can put the left spool, you can thread the film through at least two knobs of the Wolverine. Put clothes on both knobs to collect dust.

(Using the left spool as intended only leaves one knob to apply the cleaning, which may not be sufficient.)

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Mike Spice
Master Film Handler

Posts: 421
From: none of your business
Registered: Jun 2017

posted December 15, 2018 03:59 AM

Looks decent enough, but as you say, I would be very concerned about damage being done to film.

Not one of my films has taken a hit in terms of damage, I would certainly be returning a scanner that damages my films.

The fact that your films are being damaged suggests something is not right and almost certainly contributing to the unstable images you are getting.

If an indentation is appearing between sprockets then it seems the film is being moved upwards slightly by the claw, for this to happen, if that is the case, you will never get a stable scan imo.

I would get in touch with Wolverine asap and stop using this machine if you are seeing damage on every reel.

In 18 months, not one of my films has been damaged in this way, nor any of the thousands of feet I have scanned for customers.

Imagine one of my orders, sending back 72 50ft reels to one of my customers, damaged!

On another note, look at the export settings from your video edit.
Your example at you tube looks odd to me.
The scan can & should fill the player window, not have a black border surrounding it.

I set my projects to export at 1440x1080 (4:3) so I don't get black bars at youtube or facebook.

I'm not sure what resolution your Pro spits out, but if you take a moment to look an example of mine, you will see the difference it makes without any black bars.

Look at the aspect ratio of your Wolverine video files and set your video edit to the same ratio, all video edits are capable of making a custom project size for the content.

1440x1080 at you tube. No black bars. 576p

[ December 15, 2018, 05:48 AM: Message edited by: Mike Spice ]

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Bill Sherren
Film Handler

Posts: 43
From: Kent, England
Registered: Dec 2018

posted December 15, 2018 10:09 AM

When I contacted Wolverine all they suggested was not using the first guide after the film exits and run it under the second instead. And the paper trick as well. Not had an opportunity to try that. B&H who I brought it from the States suggested cleaning the film to reduce damage!
I have noticed there is a greater raised mark on the sprocket on the edge it hits when running the film through in the normal direction. The films have also been run through in reverse as suggested by Wolverine and there is a smaller mark. Suggesting it snags less in running the film backwards. However the sprockets were in excellent condition prior to the scans. And these were my last films I ever filmed and onky run through the Bolex half a dozen or so times.

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Paul Adsett
Film God

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From: USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted December 15, 2018 11:26 AM

With all due respect to the Wolverine users on this forum, it just amazes me that they are willing to put up with trying to fix what is clearly a defective piece of equipment. If you had purchased any other item for $300 and it did not work exactly as advertised you would be marching it back to the store in short order for a full refund. The only way Wolverine will fix their design problems is if everyone sends the equipment back for a full refund.

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Mike Spice
Master Film Handler

Posts: 421
From: none of your business
Registered: Jun 2017

posted December 15, 2018 05:48 PM

If this machine is damaging your film, stop using it.
Your films are not something to damage.
Send it back.
Film should not be damaged.
No one else, to my knowledge, has reported any damage to films.
Rubbish scans yes, actual film damage, no.
Kick off at Wolverine. Bigtime.
Don't settle for excuses.
Send photos of the film damage to Wolverine, threaten to 'take them down' on social media.
Send photo's to who ever you bought it from.
I got three new motors and a new take up clutch when I went off at them.
My Wolverine 'angry motor' video at YT really annoyed them with over 1100 views [Smile]

Don't let your films get ruined.

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Barry Fritz
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1061
From: Burnsville, MN, USA
Registered: Dec 2009

posted December 15, 2018 10:57 PM

I'm with Paul on this. You guys are just beta testers for Wolverine.

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Werner Ruotsalainen
Film Handler

Posts: 97
From: Helsinki, Finland
Registered: Dec 2017

posted December 17, 2018 01:49 PM

Well, I can callmyself lucky then. I have two Somikon scanners (both purchased from Pearl.de in 12/2007 and 05/2018) so that I can scan both Super8 (original, 8mm film channel) and Standard/ Double Super 8 (widened, appr. 8.2 mm film channel) without problems. Apart from the usual stuff:

- the take-on spool motor's dying in the first device (in the second one, I've disconnected it right away)
- the wild exposure changing when the sky fills about half off the scene
- the not very good dynamic range
- the film channel not being spring-based; that is, it just can't adapt to changing film width (very common with Standard and Double Super 8 footage)

I'm pretty happy with them. I've saved several thousands of Euros by NOT having to purchase the Moviestuff gear and I still have a significantly better scanner than the old Reflecta one. And the scanning quality is still WAY better than (almost) anything projector-based, except for some manually fine-tuned, from-scratch engineered stuff.

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