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David Skillern
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From: South Wales
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posted May 27, 2009 02:42 PM

Dear all,

I wonder if you can help me - did anyone buy the print of "Blue Hawaii" as advertised by Robert Tucker - this is an important question and would help me clear up a situation.

Thanks

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Chip Gelmini
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posted May 27, 2009 05:13 PM

I did not buy his print but I do own a copy. What is your question perhaps I can help.

CG

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David Skillern
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posted May 28, 2009 05:58 AM

Hi Chip,
I need to know because, if no one gets back to me - then it confirms my suspicions that the gentleman in question is also selling on ebay - where I purchased the print - he is also selling sub-standard items and passing them off as good condition - and at present I can't get a refund for the print
cheers

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Adrian Winchester
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posted May 28, 2009 09:15 AM

If you haven't already, why not try sending a PM to Robert, to see if he can assist.

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David Skillern
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posted May 28, 2009 10:23 AM

Thanks Adrian,

I have sent a PM to the gentleman in question but as yet have had no reply - if you saw the condition of the print which I paid £50 and postage you to would be asking for a refund. I realise that the print is at least 30yrs old and I expected colour fade. But the emulsion scratches that are present throughout the print make it unwatchable.

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Chip Gelmini
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posted May 28, 2009 12:09 PM

David

I assumed you had a question regarding print production. If you have a problem with the print and/or seller then I can not help you. My apologies and good luck to you.

As it so happens, the print I bought was from Ebay. It came from overseas, and nowhere in the listing did it ever say the sound was Spanish. I got the print and it played fine. I just couldn't understand it.

I filed through Paypal and got a full refund promptly. I also was able to get the print rerecorded for nearly the price of the refund amount. The seller upon apologizing, said the print did not have to be returned. So perhaps in the end, I got lucky.

CG

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Osi Osgood
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posted May 28, 2009 01:02 PM

I'D SAY!

Free print AND the money to re-record it! Not bad Chip!

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Martin Jones
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posted May 28, 2009 01:46 PM

No OSI, Chip paid for the print, and the previous owner paid for the re-record.

Martin

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David Skillern
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From: South Wales
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posted May 28, 2009 03:16 PM

Thanks Chip,

If this certain gentleman does not reply to my PM and if no one steps forward to say that they bought the print of Blue Hawaii from him - then my suspicions will be confirmed and I will take this matter further

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Dan Lail
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posted May 28, 2009 04:14 PM

David, I am confused about this post. Nothing new for me though. Are you saying the person in question is Robert T. and he may be selling sub standard-items?

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David Skillern
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posted May 29, 2009 05:00 PM

Hi Dan,
yes I am - at present the gentleman in question hasn't replied to my PM - if you look at the original listings of prints he had for sale - two in question were "Heroes of Telemark" and "Blue Hawaii" both were advertised on ebay at the similar time scale - I purchase "Blue Hawaii" from the ebay seller also a Rob and what do you know - "Blue Hawaii" appears as sold on Robert Tucker's listing. I just want to have closure on this, if this guy is one and the same as the ebay seller - I want to return the print and get my £50 and postage - if you saw the state of the film - you would understand why. I also had an email from this guy telling me that he'd just acquired a large collection of feature films - does this ring any bells?

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Mark Todd
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posted May 29, 2009 06:21 PM

I had the feeling Rob was kitchclarkie on ebay, but only from seeing a couple,of titles and putting two and two together.
What part of the country did it come from. ???
Sorry its a shame.

Best Mark.

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Osi Osgood
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posted May 29, 2009 06:28 PM

The sad thing about all of this, (as in the recent case of Lee Mannerings Projector fiasco), is that these people who knowingly pass off bad prints for good, while they may make some quick necessary bucks, trade they're integrity and honor for the future, so while they have a few pounds in the pocket right now, they have cheated themselves out of perhaps many pounds in the future. Sad.

However, let us hope that this person makes things right.

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Robert Tucker
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posted May 30, 2009 04:41 AM

Hi Chaps,

Let me clear a few things up yes I trade under Kitchclarkie, (Please Read my Feedback) secondly the person who bought this off me only wanted to know if this had good colour or not which it did. Secondly because this print is more then 30 years old you will get the odd scratch or marking but nothing to serious i.e. badly warn . So the price I started it at reflects this.

The print came in 4 deluxe boxes (posso) with reels.

Now the person wanted a refund which I said was not a problem, thou I wanted him to go down the route via eBay. Quiet an easy request to for fill. Thou because this person is now not registered on eBay??? diane5147 For one reason or another he has not compiled to do this.

For me of all the prints I have sold from this collection off eBay and through this forum I have had nothing but praise to what people have received so far.

Thou I make a point with all the films I sell to check for quality and as far as I am aware this had been outlined with regards to what was sold and the questions also answered before the auction ended.

I am sure you can make your own judgement on this.

Rob.

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Osi Osgood
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posted May 30, 2009 08:59 AM

Good to hear from you Robert.

I always like to give the benefit of the doubt to all as you never want to write anyone off, as you might just be writing off someone with integrity. To know both sides of the issue IS important, as we didn't have both sides ... before.

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David Skillern
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posted May 30, 2009 09:55 AM

Dear Osi,

I know you believe you have heard both sides to the argument - but i'm in possession of a print of dubious quality. I will send a PM to Mr Robert Tucker again requesting a refund - to be perfectly honest with you - It was the film I wanted, not quality spools. It looks like I will have to take this matter to trading standards - i've been buying super 8 movies and equipment for the past 35 years and i'm not prepared to be stung now.

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Keith Ashfield
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posted May 30, 2009 12:27 PM

I have to say, without prejudice, that I purchased "Heroes of Telemark" on E-Bay from Robert (I was the only bidder and paid £50.00) and the print is in very good condition and I am more than pleased with my purchase. As I have said, I do not wish to take sides in this dispute, but since "Heroes of Telemark" was mentioned as being sold at the same time as "Blue Hawaii" on E-Bay and being the purchaser of that film, I feel it only fair to air my thoughts on Robert's film sales.

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David Skillern
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posted May 30, 2009 12:49 PM

Dear Keith,
Would you like to swop - you'd be banging on a certain Mr Tucker's door if you were in possession of Blue Hawaii - this is basically a dispute about the initial advertisement of the print and on viewing it on my elmo 1200hd - the print did not live up to the expectations of the description. All I want is a refund, and all Mr Tucker has to do is agree to the PM I sent him 2 hours ago and then this matter will be closed - I hate getting ripped off!

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Keith Ashfield
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posted May 30, 2009 03:09 PM

No David, I wouldn't like to swap - I already have an adequate print of "Blue Hawaii", thank you very much.
As I stated in my previous post, I am not taking sides with either party in this dispute. I merely added my comment, from the point of view of the person who purchased the other film (Heroes of Telemark) that was mentioned, by you, in your earlier post, as being advertised on E-Bay, at the same time that you made your purchase of "Blue Hawaii". My comment about the quality of the film I purchased from Robert is in no way detrimental to you, or your opinions, on YOUR transaction - I am not in a position to pass any comment whatsoever, on your purchase, merely MY own purchase, which was fine.
I hope that you reach a conclusion that is amicable to both parties.

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Mark Todd
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posted May 30, 2009 07:53 PM

Well I suppose Rob if you have made a profit margin out of the film maybe David would be happy with that refunded at least.

Were it myself as it seems David isn`t happy at all and would like a full refund maybe thats the way to go to make things all happy and sorted. Not least if there are emulsion scratches.

Did you know it had emulsion scratches Rob ???

I think its important to keep things civil as we can on here, and they still are about on this thread so all for the good.

I`d rather not see too much public going on if you will on here as this is such a good will and friendly site. But I can understand being unhappy with a print.

When selling I think its a good policy to tell everything when selling, if that means the film sells for less so be it. The buyer has then a very good idea of what to expect in the post and will be happy. I think particularly any emulsion scratches in a film at all are a must tell issue ( as are any really ).

£50 plus post is quite a bit to spend so really you want it right as you can.

Robert is a decent chap David so don`t worry. I`m sure privately you could resolve this well.

Best Mark.

PS is it out on DVD ???

PPS you can do an agreed no sale, citing because of a mistake etc so the fees come back to the seller.Paypal fees will be refunded too. I think the seller sets that in motion and easy enough to do.

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David Skillern
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posted May 31, 2009 06:51 AM

Mark,
Thanks for the support, unfortunately I sent Mr Tucker a Postal Order - I'm quite prepared to send him back the print as long as I get the full refund. What bothers me is that i've requested this off Mr Tucker through several PM's and he isn't getting back to me. He did get back to me on 29th May - telling me the Print of "Blue Hawaii" was still available - then tells everyone on the site that he is Kitchclarkie and that he had sold the print to me. I just won't this resolved - if you know him - can you get him to accept the print and give me a refund - as I said before - I don't like getting ripped off - this is the only problem i've had with a member of the film forum - I hope its the last.

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Hans van der Sloot
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posted May 31, 2009 08:12 AM

I remember Kevin sold some features recently and those excellent prints originally came from Robert Tucker.
So he seems a respected seller to me.
The main problem seems the bad communication.
Perhaps there's a good explanation.
I often can't send PM's too.

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David Skillern
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posted May 31, 2009 09:07 AM

Dear Hans,

you are right on both counts- bad communication - the print was advertised as in good condition, and no emulsion scratches were mentioned and i'm still waiting for anexplanation - Mr Tucker admitted he'd watched reels 1 and 3 - but if he'd watched the whole print the green emulsion scratches are perfectly clear moving left to right across the screen - if the scratches had been on the far left or right of the frame so easily masked - I wouldn't have said anything - Mr Tucker might sell quality prints - but this one - "Blue Hawaii" is a duff one. Other dealers would give a refund or replacement print - if Mr Tucker is some sort of dealer - he should offer the same guarantee.

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Dan Lail
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posted May 31, 2009 11:57 AM

David, the PM option on this forum has been disabled and does not work. I did see on Robert Tucker's profile(click on his name)his email address. Try contacting him through is email. I don't know Robert T. except from reading his posts here and on another forum. Can't vouch for him as a seller. Someone named Robert Tucker from the UK won a 16mm feature from me on Ebay a couple of years ago, but would not pay the shipping cost from the USA to the UK. He said the shipping cost was too much. I had charged him the actual cost and sent him a link to the US Postal site so he could see the actual cost and weight of the film package. He never paid! Maybe their is more than one Robert Tucker in the UK that collects films. Can't say for sure. I don't remember the Ebay ID either.

[ May 31, 2009, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: Dan Lail ]

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Robert Tucker
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posted May 31, 2009 01:13 PM

Hi Dan,

Can i stop you there, i did pay for the print thou my money was returned twice via Paypal with out an explanation from yourself!?! from memory you re-listed it because you thought the print was worth more then what i won it for. I have since never dealt with you!

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