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Posted by Paul Foster (Member # 400) on June 06, 2012, 11:29 AM:
 
My website has been updated today.

WWW.FOSTERFILMS.CO.UK

Thanks for looking.

Paul.
 

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Posted by Phil Slater (Member # 2388) on June 06, 2012, 02:59 PM:
 
Fantastic list Paul! Some rare films on there.
Sent you 3 emails.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 06, 2012, 02:59 PM:
 
Paul, with all due respect, your price is higher than CHC.

I compared T&J in your site is between GBP 13 - GBP 15 while in CHC is between GBP 8 - GBP 10.

No three parter (color) are offered below GBP 30 (mostly GBP 40 - GBP 60) while in CHC there some GBP 18 - GBP25. I bought `Formula` with good color and OB at CHC for GBP 25.

I am sorry if this post sounds too strong for you, but sometime we need to compare the price, so we can hold the price of 8mm films not to hike so quickly.

cheers,
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on June 06, 2012, 03:25 PM:
 
Winbert,

I dont think it right to compare prices between dealers. If you dont like the prices then dont buy them. Paul is one of the best dealers around and his prices are always very reasonable. And with Paul you always know what you are getting because he states what film stock they are on, i.e. LPP.

Graham S
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 06, 2012, 03:52 PM:
 
Graham, for sure with that price I will not buy any....

I understand my post will trigger sentiment from those who prefer to maintain this status-quo not to be discussed. Therefore enjoy this ad (Coke vs Pepsi):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDSWhobbfc

ps: Funny thing that we used to discuss how expensive was the price of "Aussie on Super 8" (another dealer in Australia) without any objection..... Is it because this dealer was in Australia?
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on June 06, 2012, 04:31 PM:
 
I agree with Graham.

Nobody has any business publicly criticising anyone elses prices. If you don't like don't buy. If you want to negotiate with the dealer directly, do so privately - not on a public forum.
 

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Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on June 06, 2012, 04:32 PM:
 
Winbert

I remember the first time I saw that commercial. I couldn't stop laughing. And that little girl is adorable. I showed it to my wife and she still laughed at it.

Pat
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 06, 2012, 04:49 PM:
 

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If you don't like don't buy.

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• Prices are outrageous

• the prices for these even sealed today are well too much on the price.

• the prices are high

• I think their prices are expensive.

• etc, etc....

Those comments are just the same with my comment above, only I started by saying "with all due respect"

Michael, you are saying

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"Nobody has any business publicly criticising anyone elses prices".

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Please remember, the ones we talked are dealers, Paul Foster is a dealer, not a private seller. He has a registered company. Dealers are advertising their items publicly, using public board and this means, their price and service can be discussed publicly too.

Can't we criticize "British Airways" ? Of course we can. So why I cannot criticize Paul Foster?

Now, enjoy this funny banner I found on Fedex website:





cheers,
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on June 06, 2012, 05:22 PM:
 
Winbert,

I understand the point your making but those posts about the Australian film company were made several years ago.

Since then the Cine scene is a lot different today with Derann gone and the lab closure means that for certain titles there are only so many prints out there which only can lead to rising prices. This has been discussed many times. Ebay also probably pushes prices up.

But the main point is that because the Cine scene is smaller today with less dealers, we want to preserve the ones that are still going and are against discussing them on a forum like this.

Graham S
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 06, 2012, 06:03 PM:
 

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those posts about the Australian film company were made several years ago.

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No... The first thread was indeed posted in 2008 but the last comment was written only several days ago.

The second threas was even made only last year and the same voice was still received.

I just want to make everything to be fair and square. A dealer is not protected from criticism. However a private seller is a different thing, you deal with it privately.

One thing that I notice, Paul Foster film is hardly to have discount period like Independent 8 does in many occassion.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 06, 2012, 07:42 PM:
 
Well I can see Winbert's point and have to say that CHC are a
business with premises and staff who buy and sell film.They release new product and have a new magazine devoted to the
film collector (even though Phil forgot to place my ads,I forgive
him) so there is a huge difference to Phil Sheards operation
and any of the UK dealerships.CHC have also invested heavily in this hobby and I don't know how he does it.To add to the mix,CHC still put out a printed list, as not everyone is on the net, as I wasn't until recently.Some of CHCs stuff can be pricey especially the new trailers,which is understandable given the price of film.I have always found CHC to be very fair on their seconhand films and as far as I'm concerned,I wasn't dropped in favour of customers on the net,so the least I can do is repay the favour and keep faith with them and the other dealers who
still send out a list to collectors not on computers.
 

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Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on June 06, 2012, 09:33 PM:
 
All Paul did was make his usual update post
 

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Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on June 06, 2012, 11:46 PM:
 
Which is very welcomed and looked forward to here!
 

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Posted by Austin Holcomb (Member # 2507) on June 07, 2012, 12:00 AM:
 
I wish I had the cash for gremlins! Maby for Christmas (; But some amazing films on your list.
Best of luck!
Austin
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on June 07, 2012, 02:32 AM:
 
I can’t speak to highly of Paul. There was a film I was looking for and he went way beyond the call of duty to be of help and as always it is important we support all our remaining dealers. Thanks old bean.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on June 07, 2012, 03:44 AM:
 
From what I can see on that old Australian thread those prices were pretty outrageous and that's what drew the comments on prices. This is a little different to the comparison between Foster and CHC where there is a difference of a few pounds here and there.
Are you suggesting, Winbert, that there should be a set price based on the title involved, regardless of condition, etc.? These are used items, lets not forget. The analogy with BA is poor.

Incidentally, Foster does indeed have discount periods quite regularly, Winbert.
 

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Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on June 07, 2012, 04:17 AM:
 
Having worked in retail for many years, I feel that your criticism
is out of line. Do you walk into retail stores and b*tch to them about their prices? Most shoppers just go to another store. Its all about supply and demand plus what was paid for the prints before resale. First you push the envelope with copyright, and now this. If you don't like the prices, then shop elsewhere. There are only a handful of re-sellers left now and they are to be commended for supporting the hobby.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 07, 2012, 05:06 AM:
 
Dealers aren't there to provide a service to collectors Joe,they
are there to make money.The only dealership that supports the
hobby is CHC who does print new material, and did try to import
a S/8 projector some years ago to the resounding no support
from collectors.Winbert has every right to question prices,this is
a Forum,where else would it be discussed.Full marks to Winbert
for being forthright and honest.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 07, 2012, 08:27 AM:
 

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Do you walk into retail stores and b*tch to them about their prices?

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Joe this is an internet forum, we do this so many times. Please visit redflag.com and they do criticsm on prices every stores/dealer and referring each other to the place selling cheaper one for the same product. So why my comment just like a new thing to us?

You guys are so funny when we can comment someone's ebay listing is high but cannot do that to Paul Foster. Is this because of he is Paul Foster, not anyone else??

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Are you suggesting, Winbert, that there should be a set price based on the title involved, regardless of condition, etc.? These are used items, lets not forget.

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JERRY AND JUMBO 1X200 £12.99. Original Walton Films box.

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Winbert - I am suggesting that Paul to set the price more fairness

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Why collect vinyl when you can have MP3?

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...Because we can still buy a $1 (or even 50 cents) vinyls for well-known artists.

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MP3 can be obtained "free".

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No, cannot. If so, super 8mm films can also be obtained "free" (by stealing)

What I am focusing is for those common titles price. And I am comparing with other dealers in the same country (same condition, same situation, same market). Something I don't think is a sin, if we believe in a free market.
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on June 07, 2012, 11:11 AM:
 
In a "Free Market" we wouldn't be worrying about prices.
 

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Posted by Paul Foster (Member # 400) on June 07, 2012, 11:11 AM:
 
I rarely get involved with internet discussions so will just say this. If you don't like the prices then dont buy, its as simple as that. Winbert as only ever bought two 400ft cutdowns off me in all the years I have been trading, which says a lot. Yet he loves to make snide remarks nearly every time I post the website update, he does it to others on here as well. Now I have to get back to work and am currently going through over 300 email orders, regular customers who think my prices are fair, especially compared to new prints from CHC. I will say no more on the subject but I am sure Winbert will, lol.

Many many thanks for the fantastic support. The hobby is booming again.
Paul.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 07, 2012, 11:21 AM:
 

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In a "Free Market" we wouldn't be worrying about prices.

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Winbert as only ever bought two 400ft cutdowns off me in all the years I have been trading

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No, Paul, you are wrong. I never purchased anything from you. I rarely buy from UK due to high shipping cost. But my shopping records show several time buying from CHC, Derann and Independent 8...but no with Paul Foster Films. The reason is clear ...Mega LOL....
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on June 07, 2012, 11:50 AM:
 
Well said Paul.

Looking forward to my recent order and hopefully if funds allow will order more very soon as there are so many titles I want

Graham S
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 07, 2012, 12:01 PM:
 
Many Many thanks for the support thats a laugh what about the
people that gave you support,but were dropped like hot potatoes
when the internet beconed,and I bought more than 2 400's
in my time of dealing with you.
 

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Posted by Paul Foster (Member # 400) on June 07, 2012, 12:13 PM:
 
Have not sent paper lists out for several years. Everybody who use to get paper lists orders via the website and do not have a problem with it. Even you are now on the internet which you said you never would be!! Certainly was never my intention to drop anybody and sorry you feel that way. I just did not have the time to send paper lists out anymore and with the new costs of postage stamps glad I stopped it. Paul.
 

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Posted by Jean-Christophe Deblock (Member # 792) on June 07, 2012, 12:13 PM:
 
Indeed Paul.

Thank's for my order. I'm very happy with all I bought from you. And I think that the price of your films are exactly the right price.

And once more, I'm very happy with my order.

Thank's a lot to take the hobby alive.

JC.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 07, 2012, 12:37 PM:
 
Paul,I know full well you don't send out paper lists anymore,but
you just stopped and I was under the impression that you.d given up,but for one of the dealers telling me that you were only selling
through the internet.As for the cost of postage as I had to inform
one dealer when he was complaining.........dealers don't pay it,
we the customer pay both ways.Regarding my saying I wouldn't
be on the internet,this isn't my computer I'm using,so officially
i'm still not on.
 

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Posted by Austin Holcomb (Member # 2507) on June 07, 2012, 12:51 PM:
 
I would buy from Paul but the shipping costs are a little much from the UK I think im interested in gremlins thou if i ever get the money LOL.(:
Austin
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 07, 2012, 01:07 PM:
 
If I may jump in just quickly ...

I think the problem wasn't criticizing the prices, as that does go on here and there on the forum, it's the comparing prices with other companies prices, which is basically advertising for another company.

Now, I know that you don't work for the other company Winbert, but I can see these folks point here. I think it would feel more comfortable for people if the other company was to put up a post to immediately state, "Hey, our prices are cheaper", on they're own post.

just my two and a half cents worth.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 07, 2012, 01:19 PM:
 
Well the point I'm drawing from this,and it's a good one that
Winbert pointed out,the difference between two advertisers
selling similar goods,and the one with the shop premises is
actually cheaper,but because Winbert pointed this out,makes
him a "bad guy",like hell it does,if we had a few more like
Winbert in this world,instead of the sheep who go with the flow,
you might find that your cost of living was a lot cheaper.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on June 07, 2012, 01:23 PM:
 
This thread is unbelievable.

For Winbert to publicly come out and criticise one dealers prices when compared to another was, at the very least, mean-spirited, especially considering the fact that we are talking about a difference of a few pounds here.

 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 07, 2012, 01:51 PM:
 
It isn't a few pounds if someone's buying a bunch of them Michael
and has already been said,they are businesses,and a bit of
healthy competition shouldn't harm anyone.There are comparisons
in everything,from power companies to international travel,why
should dealers in film be exempt? It is after all a hobby,not a
religion and they like any other business are there to be compared
to another.Let me dispell this myth that you are a "special"
customer,you are a punter.
 

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Posted by Leon Thomas Jones (Member # 2731) on June 07, 2012, 01:52 PM:
 
Thank you Hugh, I am totally agreed with you. Also I would like to thanks Winbert for his brave comments, well-done mate. They are not helping the hobby by increasing the prices by over 40%, with support of few other collectors. Paul was saying that ‘am currently going through over 300 email orders’ yep over 300 wow man come on
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 07, 2012, 01:59 PM:
 

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we are talking about a difference of a few pounds here.

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Even my wife is asking me to go to another shop because the price of bananas is 50 cents cheaper there. But she doesn't care

And remember Mike, you mentioned only few pound different just because you were looking into one item only. In economy please go by percentage (as Leon does above) and you see the significant amount.

To all who do not get it. If we are talking about home made shoes, custom designed suit, foods at certain restaurant by well-known chef, lawyers, then we can say "go find somewhere else, if you don't like it or think is expensive".

Why? because we cannot value the expertise (or the way people cook or how a lawyer handling the case, etc, etc). But we are talking about item that can be sold exactly the same by other dealer, i.e super 8mm film.

This is why we need "free market", we raise our concern publicly and the dealer mentioned know he/she is under microscope of consumers. The choice is only two: put the price down or keep it as it is.

The result will be also two: raising the number of consumers or the opposite.

It is very simple and we do this in our normal lives. Just because the dealer mentioned is our friend does not mean we cannot criticize it.

Do you guys remember when our very member criticized CHC publicly here? No one was dare enough to follow criticizing CHC. But with that only post, I can see CHC is different now. They changed the service and I could enjoy dealing with them.

The same thing also happen in filmshooting forum when "super8Sound" was known to be the best avoided company. We criticized it publicly. Now (under Pro8mm) they change the service and becomes one of the best service.

Dealers need to be criticized and praised publicly....not only "praise" is expected.


I think my lesson is enough for today.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 07, 2012, 02:01 PM:
 
Thankyou Leon,well thats three of us,does that make us the Three
Stooges or the Three Musketeers "All for One,and One for All,
Me for You and You for Me and Four for a quid"
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on June 07, 2012, 02:04 PM:
 

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Do you guys remember when our very member criticize publicly here CHC for its bad service? No one dare enough to follow criticizing CHC. But with that only post, I can see CHC is different now.

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Winbert,

Surely you can see the difference between criticism due to bad service and criticism of how someone chooses to price their goods.
I have no bias towards either Paul, or CHC or any dealer for that matter. If any one of them have a print I want I'll buy it from them.
What you did was mean-spirited, in my opinion, whether or not it's brave, or right or wrong or any other way people would try to rationalise it.
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 07, 2012, 02:11 PM:
 
Service, price, website layout, long-short email answer, etc, etc are something related to consumers and we can criticize it publicly.

Again, go to http://www.redflagdeals.com/ and you will see those things are common in these days.

We collect vintage items doesn't mean our way of thinking also getting vintage
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 07, 2012, 02:20 PM:
 
No I don't agree there Michael,everything in this world now is
aimed at comparisons,I personally am sick of phone calls requesting I change my power supplier,and all the other calls
that go with them,no escaping comparisons.There is no harm in
asking about higher prices charged for the same item.I recently
asked at HMV for a particular dvd and was quoted a price which
I said was not acceptable as I could get it cheaper and quicker
from Amazon.That's competition.Sooner or later the message gets through,either price realistically or go out of business.
 

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Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on June 07, 2012, 02:59 PM:
 
I think this topic is getting out of hand now,To get a film dealer to reply is quite rare and shows he's just about had enough of silly comments about his buisness.Other dealers i know never get involved in topics when they are ripped to pieces(but do look at the forums) and you can see why.It's quite simple as Paul said if you dont like the prices then dont buy,Comparing him/dealers to HMV isn't quite right either as there are hundreds of retailers selling dvd's and not so many selling cine films.I dont think if the Tom & Jerry films were £1 each they would be sent over to Canada now!! Mark.
 

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Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on June 07, 2012, 03:21 PM:
 
Ever heard of "like for like" Mark,this is the time of people actually losing their livelyhoods because some beancounter says he can get the job done cheaper elsewhere,fact of life.People in the
US complain of the cost of shipping from the UK,fact of life,it's
worse for us in the UK. I've just ordered a new book from the
US on Ray Harryhausen,and the postage is nearly the cost of the
book,another fact of life.So if some healthy comparisons get made,so much the better.Do you never compare prices,or do
you just pay regardless.
 

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Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on June 07, 2012, 03:46 PM:
 
Since we're now at the point of repeating arguments that have been made previously, I feel this thread has run its course.
I have no problem with opinions being expressed (even about prices), and they have. It would only be point/counterpoint at this er.....point. So we move on.

I would like to add that I have purchased from Foster Films for over a decade, including from this latest list. No other dealer has ever offered me, as Paul did in 2004, to hold a title for me while I was juggling finances. There were many times when Paul remembered that I was searching for a particular title and would keep me in mind when it finally appeared. Price is important, and so is customer service.

Doug
 

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