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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted April 13, 2015 02:24 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
i think we need the moderators/admin to jump in.

This sale category is provided for members to sale/trade the actual films not for distributing the list.

It is quite disturbing for me just recently a member (Robert Tucker) using this forum for distributing unseen list. Members are asked to contact him for the films he is selling. And apparently NOT ALL members who contacted him (as he requested) received it.

I am myself not interested with his list but am quite disturbed with the responses. Such posts can also attract unnecessary internet traffic (i.e bandwidth) that can be a burden cost to the owner of this forum (Brad Miller). We are here for free not paying anything...so please keep the cost down.

So can moderator to make the rule to avoid such posts, please.

My 2 cents though,

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Flavio Stabile
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 - posted April 13, 2015 02:27 PM      Profile for Flavio Stabile     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I perfeclty agree with you, Winbert.

I avoided to ask the list by principle!

I'm also annoyed when someone put an announce, and when sold, remove completely the content!

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted April 13, 2015 02:57 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Interesting point. I'd like to hear how other Forum members feel on the subject.

Doug

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Robert Tucker
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 - posted April 13, 2015 03:03 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The only reason why i have resulted in this because of previous experiences on this forum which i have outlined in my film list post.

[ April 13, 2015, 06:25 PM: Message edited by: Robert Tucker ]

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David Skillern
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 - posted April 13, 2015 03:16 PM      Profile for David Skillern   Email David Skillern   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks Doug,

For your timely intervention - as for the fabled list - I had one dealing with Mr Tucker a few years ago and the print that he sold me was way below standard - I asked for help from this site and received it and eventually got my money back. This site is a helpful forum - where like minded individuals can discuss and banter at their leisure on the topic that really interests them - namely the world of film - whether it be Super 8, Standard 8, 9.5, 16 or 35mm.

Long may it continue.

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David Guest
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 - posted April 13, 2015 03:22 PM      Profile for David Guest     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
why post an add on the forum re large list of films on the forum then don't even bother to reply to emails it just causes problems why not just list the list of films you have for sale

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Robert Tucker
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 - posted April 13, 2015 03:28 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
David, haven't received a request from you as yet so please email me again and i will reply.

If anyone else has not received a list or a reply please let me know.

Thanks for your support!

PS: turns out David already had the list which was kindly sent via a friend of his late last night.

[ April 13, 2015, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: Robert Tucker ]

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted April 13, 2015 05:30 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd like to return to the subject of this thread. Without mentioning specific sellers, how do members feel about sales postings where you are asked if you would like to receive a list?

Doug

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David Guest
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 - posted April 13, 2015 05:38 PM      Profile for David Guest     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
in my opinion films should be advertised on the forum for sale or mentioned they are on ebay any one who is interested they can contact the seller by a pm or add to the listing

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted April 13, 2015 05:39 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Everything should always be transparent Doug. It is simply the only way by the forums very own rule book, which I hasten to add, is for very good reason, description and price.

Otherwise you end up in the situation of staggered selective selling lists.

When this happens, bad feeling creeps in. We then go down to 4398 members instead of 4399 (hopefully soon to be 4400!!) and the whole thing soon becomes unattractive and falls into disrepute.

That is my opinion. No doubt as ever, I will be slated on it, but as I see it, if you have nothing to hide then transparency works really well for both buyer as well as seller. For everything else that needs selling, there is always e bay!

It would be perfect if everyone selling on here can be treated as a trusted friend and therefore you know instantly that what you are purchasing are quality goods from one enthusiast to another. If everyone follows the same route as my last few purchases from trusted genuine sellers on here, even if it is does have to be from oversees, there are no issues whatsoever... Simples [Smile]

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Robert Tucker
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 - posted April 13, 2015 06:44 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Things are not always transparent which is part of the problem! Considering most of my posts get hijacked in one form or another when selling items. (prime example with the comments above) which are not really necessary David considering this was resolved ages ago and you was partly at fault.

I will make sure in future that anything i sell including my Star Wars. I will sell privately and to a select few only and not through this forum anymore. It's a shame as it gives people a chance to buy these rare titles off me directly which i would prefer. Instead of having to sell titles like i have done before in the past like Goldfinger, Close Encounters etc via eBay. A certain person who was once a moderator of this forum who has now started his own forum. Bought up my vast collection of Disney features and sold these on to fellow members of this forum all of which were bought as new fron Derann.

Of course there will always be a small minority of people that are either jealous of what you have achieved over the years or generally not happy with your prices. But it does not give them the right to persecute you every time you use this forum?

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Bill Phelps
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 - posted April 13, 2015 07:04 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't see a problem with lists by pm or email if you have something for sale....especially when you list films and prices and get never ending complaints about how high your prices are, and "I wouldn't pay that much....you can find it cheaper here....one just sold for less....I understand why you would not want to post the films on the forum.

Bill

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Clay Smith
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 - posted April 13, 2015 07:39 PM      Profile for Clay Smith     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As for myself, I don't have a problem with PM a list. If you want one just PM, if not then don't. I don't see where it causes that much of a problem. That's just my opinion.

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Alan Rik
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 - posted April 13, 2015 09:11 PM      Profile for Alan Rik   Email Alan Rik   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well..to get back on topic! [Smile]
I do understand sellers not wanting to list their film prices here if they keep getting asked "Why is that so high?" "I purchased that in 1982 for half that!" Yup. I have gotten that as well when I was selling a film a while back.
That having been said, I prefer it when a list is posted with prices. It could be that I'm just too lazy to send a private email but it worked well for Steven S. when he sold his huge lot of great features on here.
What should be courtesy is to only post on a sale topic if you have a question about the print or its quality but not the price.
I mean we all have thought in our heads.."What? That person wants $$$ for that 3 Part digest?" But yet..crazy enough..maybe thats the persons favorite film and they LOVE It and to them...yes! Its worth $$$!
I always think its nice to offer a film/equipment sale up here first. You bypass Ebay fees, more money for you, and it builds camaraderie. And if by chance you get a bad print which was misrepresented...just never deal with that seller again.
Thankfully for me...I have been very lucky as most of you are honest sellers! [Smile]

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted April 13, 2015 09:40 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have no problem with anyone inviting requests for a list. There have even been times when someone (remember Mr Mussa?) has offered such vast numbers of films that I'm not even sure if would be technically possible to have a post here that's long enough! There have been occasions when I've seen a post offering films turn into a 'debate' about prices, etc, and I can imagine that this would be frustrating for sellers.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted April 13, 2015 09:50 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As I am the starter of this topic, I should bring back this to the ultimate aim that I was wishing for.

First, I don't want to visit a RE/MAX website (selling/renting properties) to find an add saying "email me for a list of house for sale"

Since this is 8mmforum and specifically on the sale category for films, I supposed to see films list.

The list is beneficial for members to know what other titles are available on 8mm. This already happened in many posts that from this sub-category we found many info about releases, e.g from Francisco's films sale I knew now that Jörg Harnischmacher also released several Disney titles.

The films list (with price) also can be helpful for other members to measure what is the current market price.

Second, however, it is also my view that it is not proper for other members to criticize the price put by individual seller (another members), since this is totally the seller's prerogative unless from company/commercial stores because this kind of store follow the commercial/trade rules stated by the government.

cheers,

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Dominique De Bast
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 - posted April 13, 2015 11:31 PM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Alan made a good suggestion : public list but no public comment or debate about the prices.

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Terry Sills
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 - posted April 14, 2015 02:32 AM      Profile for Terry Sills     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Totally agree with Alan and Dom. Show a list of titles together with prices otherwise it can cause resentment as already shown on this topic and can result in damaging the sellers reputation unnecessarily. There will always be nitpickers on price, but that's the way of the world.

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Ron Douglas
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 - posted April 14, 2015 06:38 AM      Profile for Ron Douglas   Email Ron Douglas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ever since the business began, printed lists with prices were what drove sales. I love sales lists, old and new!
Just look at how often the (still online) 2007 Derann sales list is used!
Doug, you are pretty clear that all sellers offering lists should also put prices with the items.
May I suggest that anyone disputing a member's price should do that via PM to the seller, as the seller is entitled to ask what they want.

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted April 14, 2015 09:08 AM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a deleted a number of posts that were way off topic and turned into a squabble.

I am loathe to add rules (aren't there enough?) however it appears that in order to diminish hijacking of threads and discourteous replies I might need to.

I am in favor of eliminating criticism of prices. If the seller's price is too high the item will not sell, leading the seller to lower the price. If a member is interested in purchasing that item but only at a lower price, that member can always contact the seller off Forum.

For now, posts that include list requests are still allowed. Hopefully, if future sales threads remain on topic and stay civil, sellers will not feel the need to go that route.

Doug

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Joe Taffis
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 - posted April 14, 2015 09:14 AM      Profile for Joe Taffis   Email Joe Taffis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have no problem with a privately sent list, although I would prefer to see it here with prices. What I do have a problem with is making someone's for sale item a topic of discussion, with critiques, personal feelings and descriptions, etc....

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Joe Caruso
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 - posted April 14, 2015 10:53 AM      Profile for Joe Caruso     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There is a section of the 8mm Forum "Films For Sale/Trade/Wanted" (sic) - I feel anyone can list anything for whatever their fancy, but it is then up to the individuals to PM the seller and discuss business - No one has to read the dirty public laundry (if any) - Should any severe difficulties arise, then we might enact a quorum - So Stupid Shorty types away again

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Steve Klare
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 - posted April 14, 2015 01:57 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd say if a buyer finds a price too steep they should PM with their reasonable offer, if nobody else is willing to fork over full price then they can negotiate.

I'm not sure why, but I think the sales section is either the most squabbly of the forum sections or a close second to General Yak.

The general forums are more civil (...generally), and "reviews" is downright genial!

Somewhere on the 'net there must be a Forum dedicated solely to bickering.

-you say something nice: that's your first warning!

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Osi Osgood
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I would only add that if the reason for not posting a list is because a person feels that they're prices might be a little too high, or the person might get any negative feedback, well, that's just a part of being a member of a forum. Potentially lower the prices just a tad bit to accommodate the demand, or whatever the demands of fellow collectors might be, if possible, accommodate those demands. The person would probably find that they will sell more films upon doing so.

That's not saying the person should let they're beloved prints go for pennies, but it does just slightly ruffle the "collective feathers" to only put up a request for a list and not post the films on the actual forum, as this very series of posts on this topic, illustrates.

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Robert Tucker
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 - posted April 14, 2015 02:59 PM      Profile for Robert Tucker     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well I'm sorry to say there appears to be one culprit who just enjoys sabotaging, sales list period. From the number of posts and the number of forum members complaining to me about how dire the situation is (i can count on both hands how many). I only think the best way going forward is that something should be done about it.

Doug as you well know I've had countless problems on this forum recently with various comments and digs. Why does someone have the right to effect your sales with continuing comments. And then say if you're truly reliable and trustworthy person as you say you are. You are OK to post on this forum. I'm sorry but it's now getting to a point where they are taking the rules and law in to their own hands and it is getting to a point that people are not liking this forum period. It's now becoming more then just a joke at my expense and everyone else who is genuine.

Do take the time to read my previous posts which have been hijacked in one way or another by just one person.

It's also one of the reasons why i am not involved in the BFCC anymore as i don't have time for wingers!

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