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Bradford A Moore
Master Film Handler

Posts: 272
From: Provincetown, Ma
Registered: Jul 2005

posted January 05, 2009 09:14 PM

Hey All,

I have an almost new bottle of Filmguard. I only used it on a reel or two. I prefer using Filmrenew. I don't want it to go to waste. If you are interested.

My email is psychedelicoyster@yahoo.com

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Dan Lail
Film God

Posts: 2110
From: Loganville, Georgia, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted January 05, 2009 11:06 PM

Brad, I just sent you an email. [Smile]

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Tom Photiou
Film God

Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003

posted January 06, 2009 06:37 AM

Bradford, Just out of curiosity, why do you prefer film renew?
Only reason i ask is because i also am now using film gaurd (which is new to me) and it was a choice of this or film renew?

Although im getting on fine with the film guard at the moment, im aware of having to be very careful as too much makes the film go all over the place and have to be wiped off the rubber film guide rubber rollers, i found out the hard way with a marketing 3 x 400 of true grit, i thought i only put on a small amount but despite this the sound was very unsteady until i removed it. Now im a bit concerned on using it on any more marketing films.

Any one else can help with this prob please let me Know.

I am applying it with rewind arms and spraying a small amount into a 100% cotten cloth, usually each spray last me around 300-400ft. (With all other cleaners it was one spray per 50-100ft, this is what i did with my first use of film gaurd which i now know was too much).

In a nut shell, what are the advantages of film guard or film re-new and visa versa please?

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David Pannell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1072
From: Horsham, West Sussex, UK
Registered: Nov 2004

posted January 06, 2009 07:18 AM

Hi Tom,

Much has been written about the pros and cons of these two cleaner/lubricating products quite some time ago on the Forum.

Personally, I prefer Filmguard, but at the end of the day I think it comes down to individual choice and preference. The general concensus seems to be that Film Renew tends to evaporate more quickly than Filmguard, and therefore its lubricating qualities tend to become somewhat more reduced over time, whereas, as you have discovered, Filmguard is a more "oily" product, and whilst doing a really good job of cleaning, it is superb in ensuring quiet running and long term lubrication of the film.

Nevertheless, it DOES need to be used sparingly.

Another advantage I have found with Filmguard, is that it is excellent for reducing, and in some cases eliminating scratches and other marks on the film surface.

However, I'm afraid you will have to make your own mind up about which one you prefer. I think that at the last count, most Forum members were about equally divided.

"You pays your money, and you takes your choice".

Best,

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Dave.

Valves and celluloid - a great combination!
Early technology rules OK!

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Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted January 06, 2009 08:41 AM

FilmRenew is not too easy to acquire nowadays in the UK as it can no longer be shipped from the US since surface mail was discontinued.

-Mike

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Joe Taffis
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1592
From: United States
Registered: Jun 2003

posted January 06, 2009 03:20 PM

I apply FilmGuard in very liberal amounts (between rewinds with a cloth) and have no problems with my Elmo projectors, and i'm very pleased with it....could any problems (e.g. unsteady sound, etc.) be caused by what type of projector is being used?

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Joe Taffis

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Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted January 06, 2009 04:36 PM

I was under the impression that FilmGuard was supposed to be applied sparingly - not liberally [Confused]

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David Pannell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1072
From: Horsham, West Sussex, UK
Registered: Nov 2004

posted January 07, 2009 05:03 AM

Once again it's down to interpretation.

What do we mean by 'sparingly' and 'liberally'?

I think one needs to try various quantities, and use common sense, finally arriving at a suitable quantity to suit one's needs. It really is a trial and error scenario.

Dave.

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Dave.

Valves and celluloid - a great combination!
Early technology rules OK!

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Michael O'Regan
Film God

Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007

posted January 07, 2009 06:13 AM

To me "liberally" means just splash it on there, though I guess thats not what Joe meant [Smile]

-Mike

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Tom Photiou
Film God

Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003

posted January 07, 2009 12:42 PM

All advice and comments very welcome, thanks all, [Wink]

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John W. Black
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 536
From: Deptford,N.J.
Registered: Mar 2008

posted January 10, 2009 11:40 PM

I know you might not want to know this,but Filmguard is made up mostly of furniture polish.This was done before with a product called Clean Images,which was mostly lemon Pledge.Strange but true,doesn't damage the film,but oils it up reel good!

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Beat em or burn em,they go up pretty quick

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
Film God

Posts: 2392
From: France
Registered: Oct 2004

posted January 11, 2009 04:48 AM

Hence the familiar smell... [Big Grin]

Both FG and FR are good products. I like FR for long-term treatments (shrunken films...) and FG is great for daily operation.

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The Grindcave Cinema Website

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Peter Willems
Junior
Posts: 4
From: Germany
Registered: Jan 2009

posted January 17, 2009 05:04 PM

At this point: Does anyone know what's the name of that new cleaning fluid that shall be harmless? What I do not like about all those cleaners is that they are (very) harmful to health.

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Chip Gelmini
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1733
From: Brooksville, FL
Registered: Jun 2003

posted January 19, 2009 09:09 AM

I use filmguard and I like it. Haven't played around with anything else. Until FG; I never really cleaned my prints. I knew back in the day that Kodak had a film cleaner liquid as the local camera shop sold it. However, it had strong warnings on the bottle label, not to be used for sound films. Upon research the chemicals in the cleaner were known to harm mag tracks.

Steve Osborne asked me to try FG. And I told him no because of what I knew by Kodak. He asked if I would try FG on a 200ft reel in my collection. He said that if after using FG if I could proove that FG destroyed the print, he'd replace it.

So with that I accepted his request; and 65 hours and 3 weeks later everything in my collection was done.

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